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Old 03-03-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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On a side NOTE:

Texas to send 4 million illegal aliens to California.
News at noon.


"If illegal aliens want to be here to use our welfare system, we will gladly take them to a State that wants them. Texas can no longer afford to take care of them."
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Old 03-03-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Oh... Well this is interesting... It seems like many of the clueless Walker supporters have left this thread.

Many of those supporters had no affiliation with the state of Wisconsin... Just a bunch of outsiders looking in when Walker first started blipping on the national radar. Cute.

I was born and raised in Wisconsin and moved away two year ago. I watched the state turn from a friendly, welcoming place into a neighbor against neighbor battleground.

I noticed as I read this thread that the backers and supporters never mentioned Walker's time as Milwaukee County Executive. I find that to be a shame considering that leaves out details like employees of Walker's campaigning for him while on taxpayer dime and others stealing money from a military fundraiser... Many of his former staff members are now serving time.

As for his campaign, his BIG PROMISE to the state of Wisconsin was that he would create 250,000 jobs in his first four years as governor. Turns out he couldn't even get to HALF that number.
Since he took office, Wisconsin has been ranked 32nd or WORSE in job creation in the US... In the Midwest, Wisconsin took last place three out of the four years (the other year, WI was second-to-last)...

Then there is the Milwaukee Bucks' arena. The Bradley Center is $20 million in the hole. Scott Walker wants to pay off that $20 and provide an additional $200 million towards a new arena for a total of $220 million... This would be coming from what he calls a "Jock Tax"
As Walker states, this jock tax is being collected by NBA players and staff members who perform in the state of Wisconsin. This in itself is not out of the ordinary... That's how the players pay their taxes is by whatever state they are playing in that night.
However... By labeling it "Jock Tax", it pulls blinders down over people's eyes who dont realize that the money is still coming out of the public tax base. It's still money that could be used to better the city instead of ease the pockets of two billionaires from NY who recently purchased the team.

Then... There is education. I dont think there is any question to whether Walker values it or not. He dropped out from Marquette with a 2.59 and he has now slashed education spending by the hundreds of millions on TWO separate occasions.

Massive opportunities for the state have been passed on, including the $800 million federally-funded high speed rail project... Which also would have provided thousands of jobs to the state at a time when he fell far short of reaching that jobs goal.
The manufacturing of the trains themselves would have been done in WI as well, but since he balked on the rail project, the train manufacturing went with it.

Then there was the whole Potawatomi / Menomonee debacle... He decided that in order for a casino/hotel in Kenosha to be built, the surrounding tribes would have to approve it. Which is a total pansy move in and of itself. Obviously they didn't approve it. It would have provided about 5,000 jobs for an area that desperately needs something to get people working. The casino would have been about 10 miles from the WI / IL border which surely would have brought in much needed tax dollars to WI.

I would keep going on this failures but my thumbs hurt... These downfalls are just a few of his weaknesses.

In conclusion... Dude is absolute garbage.
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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President Scott Walker Will Beat Foreign Enemies Just Like Reagan, By Firing Americans?

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Walker stated that the “most consequential foreign-policy decision” of his lifetime was Reagan’s 1981 firing of 11,000 air-traffic controllers. He explained that through this action, Reagan sent a message not only across America, but around the world “that we wouldn’t be messed with.”

It’s obvious where Walker wants to go with this. Firing air traffic controllers clearly isn’t Reagan’s most consequential foreign policy decision. But it is the one thing Reagan did that is closely analogous to Walker’s claim to fame — facing down public employee unions. Hence, Walker’s attempt to exaggerate the importance of Reagan’s showdown with a union.
Is Scott Walker ready for prime time? [UPDATED] | Power Line

Hey Walker, how about: the United States opening to China, the peaceful end of the Cold War, support for the reunification of Germany, NAFTA, the nuclear accord with India, PEPFAR, the end of the war in Vietnam, the Camp David Accords, the war in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bosnia, Iran/Contra, the U.S. role in negotiating the Northern Ireland peace process, the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, the Iranian hostage crisis, etc...? Or is it all about you?

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Old 03-04-2015, 03:53 AM
 
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I am expecting Walker to be a huge flop in the Republican Primaries...I am talking on the scale of Rick Perry and Fred Thompson.
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Tianjin, China
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Oh... Well this is interesting... It seems like many of the clueless Walker supporters have left this thread.
Don't fool yourself, you liberals hate Scott Walker so much that you are posting things about him, even if no Republican is here. Most of the things you mention are either political spin or things only liberal care about.

Hardly anyone is reading this thread, and your hatred towards Walker goes beyond any limits and reason. So whats the point of debating against you?

This kind of hatred comes from past losses, not from Walker beeing a bad candidate.
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yeah, it is no surprise that liberals are going to oppose Walker. It's not complicated--he's a conservative, and they are liberals. What is strange is the gyrations that libs go through to try to persuade conservatives that they should oppose Walker.

There is a strange phenomenon on the left that I call 'seminar caller syndrome' wherein liberals claim to have at heart the best interests of conservatism and offer their nuggets of advice. Don't vote for Reagan, it's Ford you want. Huntsman is the class act of the GOP field. Etc.

As a conservative and Republican, I have never felt the compunction to advise Democrats on whom they ought to nominate or support. I figure its their party; it's up to them. It's an interesting juxtaposition that Dems seem to have a need to insert themselves into GOP primaries, but not vice-versa.
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Don't fool yourself, you liberals hate Scott Walker so much that you are posting things about him, even if no Republican is here. Most of the things you mention are either political spin or things only liberal care about.

Hardly anyone is reading this thread, and your hatred towards Walker goes beyond any limits and reason. So whats the point of debating against you?

This kind of hatred comes from past losses, not from Walker beeing a bad candidate.
No, actually it comes from seeing my wife's salary dip from 45k to 42k to 39k over a three-year span while seeing her benefit fees increase in Wisconsin.
It comes from him cutting education spending once to balance the budget... Then doing it a second time in less than four years.
It comes from the jobs creation failures he preached before setting foot in Madison and couldn't come close to fulfilling once there.
It comes from his remark "I took on 100,000 protestors so I can handle terrorists, too"
It comes from the fact that he passed up an $800 million federally-funded high speed rail that would have linked Milwaukee and Madison to Chicago and Minneapolis while providing thousands of jobs to the state of Wisconsin... In favor of a light rail in Milwaukee that is only two miles long and already runs on current bus routes... And... It will cost Milwaukee taxpayers $125 million - to start.

Does that reach what YOU would consider appropriate reasoning?

You see... If you want to embarrass yourself on here with your assumption as to why an individual has a distaste for someone, go right ahead. I've never met a mind reader before and it could be exciting. Also thrilling to know you've been in my family's shoes and understand what we went through in Wisconsin. Such talent!

Finally... I'm not going to assume which party you favor, but education is pretty important to me. Judging by your ignorant and oblivious comments, I could understand why it holds no value for you.
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Old 03-04-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Tianjin, China
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No, actually it comes from seeing my wife's salary dip from 45k to 42k to 39k over a three-year span while seeing her benefit fees increase in Wisconsin.
You are confirming what I said, you hate Walker because he affected you personally, not because of rational arguments.

39K is still a good salary, many people in Wisconsin only earn 15-20K. Is it fair to ask those people to pay more in property taxes, so that teacher unions can have higher salaries?

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1.It comes from him cutting education spending once to balance the budget... Then doing it a second time in less than four years.
2. It comes from the jobs creation failures he preached before setting foot in Madison and couldn't come close to fulfilling once there.
3. It comes from his remark "I took on 100,000 protestors so I can handle terrorists, too"
4. It comes from the fact that he passed up an $800 million federally-funded high speed rail that would have linked Milwaukee and Madison to Chicago and Minneapolis while providing thousands of jobs to the state of Wisconsin... In favor of a light rail in Milwaukee that is only two miles long and already runs on current bus routes... And... It will cost Milwaukee taxpayers $125 million - to start.
1. Do you have documentation that has lead to worse results.

2. Wisconsin unemployment rate is below national average, and is below both Michigan and Illinois.

3. While it was said in a bad way, he was obviously talking about himself, not about the protestors.

4. But would a high sped rail be cost effective? The high speed rail needs to be maintained afterwards, and I am not sure how many people would use that high speed rail. I know you think he is the devil, but even the devil will accept free money. So there is obviously a disadvantage you haven't thought about.



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Finally... I'm not going to assume which party you favor, but education is pretty important to me. Judging by your ignorant and oblivious comments, I could understand why it holds no value for you.
An educated comment, would not be so angry.

I don't think you get better educational results by overpaying your teachers.

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Old 03-05-2015, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Why are you celebrating cuts to education spending?
I seriously dont understand it.
More residents with degrees equals more quality jobs within your state.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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You are confirming what I said, you hate Walker because he affected you personally, not because of rational arguments.

39K is still a good salary, many people in Wisconsin only earn 15-20K. Is it fair to ask those people to pay more in property taxes, so that teacher unions can have higher salaries?


1. Do you have documentation that has lead to worse results.

2. Wisconsin unemployment rate is below national average, and is below both Michigan and Illinois.

3. While it was said in a bad way, he was obviously talking about himself, not about the protestors.

4. But would a high sped rail be cost effective? The high speed rail needs to be maintained afterwards, and I am not sure how many people would use that high speed rail. I know you think he is the devil, but even the devil will accept free money. So there is obviously a disadvantage you haven't thought about.




An educated comment, would not be so angry.

I don't think you get better educational results by overpaying your teachers.
So, people should be happy with declining wages, crumbling infrastructure and illogical use of tax funds?
And you're proud that Wisconsin is beating Illinois and Michigan? That's some low hanging fruit.
Meanwhile Minnesota is drinking Wisconsin's milkshake and beating Wisconsin in every economic and social indicator.

Frankly, I'm not worried about Walker. I don't think he's bright enough to make it through the primaries. Heck, even Rick Perry thinks the man isn't all that smart. And even if he did, his record in Wisconsin is just shameful. He and the Legislator might govern in a way that you ideologically agree with, but the empirical evidence is that it's a big pile of fail.
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