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Old 02-03-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Independents and moderates aren't exactly the same thing. Romney did fine with Independents, but he did poorly with moderates. The hardline "Constitutional Conservative" will even have more trouble with moderates.
It's sad commentary that a candidate who wants to uphold the Constitution gets a negative kneejerk response from a large voting block. The Constitution is still supposed to be the law of the land, after all. You may well be right, though.
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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It's sad commentary that a candidate who wants to uphold the Constitution gets a negative kneejerk response from a large voting block. The Constitution is still supposed to be the law of the land, after all. You may well be right, though.
Its not because of the Constitution. Its because people who usually say that have a specific ideology that the majority of Americans do not agree with.
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It's sad commentary that a candidate who wants to uphold the Constitution gets a negative kneejerk response from a large voting block. The Constitution is still supposed to be the law of the land, after all. You may well be right, though.
The term "Constitutional Conservative" I was referring to, really has little to due with holding up the Constitution although those that waive that flag might clam so, but rather the far right of the party that make that claim (someone like Cruz for example)

Bottom line is, the reason Romney lost moderates by 15, wasn't because he wasn't conservative enough, someone further to the right than Romney would have even more trouble with moderates.
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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Independents and moderates aren't exactly the same thing. Romney did fine with Independents, but he did poorly with moderates. The hardline "Constitutional Conservative" will even have more trouble with moderates.
That is correct. According to exit polling in 2012, Romney got 50 percent of the Independent vote, but Obama got 56 percent of the Moderate vote. The Moderate vote is the center.

President Exit Polls - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:48 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Mitt Romney won the independent vote in 2012.

If that were true, he would be dining in the Whitehouse tonight.

The independent vote decides elections.
You cannot sell a Progressive as a Conservative and expect Independents to buy it.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Thanks for proving my point.
Split the moderate and the conservative take is 55-60% of independents.
Your point isn't proven at all.

So far, the moderate independents haven't gone conservative reliably. They went for Bush #!, then for Clinton, then for Bush #2, then for Obama. That how independents are, and that's why they are called independents.

It's just as likely that a conservative Democrat could capture them as a conservative Republican, given that the entire Republican party is more conservative than the Democratic party. "Moderate" has a different definition for you than it does for them.

Your problem is the lack of liberal-moderates. The Democrats have conservative-moderates by the bucket full- they're called Blue Dogs- but the Republican part is essentially very conservative-conservative, with few who are moderate enough to be thought moderate by the independents.

What you need is some Red Dogs, not more Tea Partiers if you want to capture the independents.

The Republican party leadership knows this full well. That's why they were so solidly behind Mitt in 2014. He was the closest thing the party has to a Red Dog.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:12 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If indys wanted conservatives, they would join the GOP.

Thread fail.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I love it when a bunch of Democrats start telling the GOP, how to win elections!!! LOL priceless!
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:52 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If indys wanted conservatives, they would join the GOP.

Thread fail.


The first Progressive, was a Republican. You fail.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Jeb will be the same way.

Sell another big government globalist, who's dad preached the New World Order, as a conservative and you can expect many Independents and those principled Conservatives to stay home again.

Put a Constitutional Conservative up there to rationalize the truth and you will get the GOP base, as they will vote anyone with a Republican tag on them, but you also get many Independents. The voters they call the silent majority.

Lie to the silent majority right off the bat and you lost their vote. Putting a Progressive up there, with a Conservative label on them, as if you think they are stupid.
And who is this Constitutional Conservative you speak about?
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