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Old 02-04-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Hellion1999"The GOP have split 2-2 with the Democrats in the last 4 Presidential elections.......they have the majority of the governorships and state legislatures and have the majority in the house and senate.


I say they are doing a lot better than Democrats, don't you think"

Not for POTUS. 5 of the last 6 pop votes went Dems way, 61% of the EC votes over 24 years. Of Dems last 4 wins, the worst was 46 EC votes better than GOP best. Since W won, Va & NM moved to the blue column.
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Old 02-04-2015, 07:15 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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A lot of new Indies these days are Republicans who do not feel comfortable with the social and religious agenda that the Republican party is now associated with. Indies will vote for a moderate Republican. The OP is wrong on that. They might also vote for a right wing conservative over a democrat.
100% correct

Almost every "Independent" that I know is someone who would ordinarily be a Republican but is turned off by the social conservatism/bible thumping of the Religious Right, or by the extremism of the Tea Party types.
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Old 02-05-2015, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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The first Progressive, was a Republican. You fail.
This ain't 1901. You fail.
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Old 02-05-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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They're "independents" because they don't strongly identify with the wings of either party, so they don't join a party. Most voters, even party members, tend to be right of center on some issues and left of center on others. Generally only the voters on the party wings are strictly all right or all left, ie, ideologues.
Correct...many Independents would vote for a Republican or Democrat IF he or she shows good integrity; knowledge of science-economics-environment-immigration-, etc. Like you said they're not party affiliated but rather sit on the sidelines and pick a good, sensible candidate no matter what party.

cheers...
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Old 02-05-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Correct...many Independents would vote for a Republican or Democrat IF he or she shows good integrity; knowledge of science-economics-environment-immigration-, etc. Like you said they're not party affiliated but rather sit on the sidelines and pick a good, sensible candidate no matter what party.

cheers...
The word you are looking for is moderates, because Independents overall tend to lean republican.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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The word you are looking for is moderates, because Independents overall tend to lean republican.
With the rise of the Tea Party, many hard core Conservatives switched their registration from Republican to Independent. The result was a smaller percentage of voters identifying as Republicans and a larger number of Independents, which now included large number of Conservatives, as well as traditional moderate Independents. It made it possible for Romney to carry Repubs and Independents and still lose the election in 2012 by nearly 5 million votes. Relabeling the base is not the same as broadening the base.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying that the label "Independent" is sort of a shell game. It no longer means what it used to.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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I think one thing that is getting overlooked is that aside from Reagan's landslide of 84 and Clinton's mastery of the middle in 96- all the reelection bids for the last 40 years have been about the base. Obama won his base in 2012 while losing many of his voters from 4 years earlier & Bush won by driving up conservative vote totals in 04. In 92 Bush I lost because his base was dissatisfied. So the truth is playing to the middle is all well and good but if you cannot fire up your own core voters/base you will not win. If you look at 2014- and the Senate races in particular- you will see a string of losses for the dems that came down to a few percentage points. These were where R voters showed up and D voters did not. To be clear I am talking about the squeakers in NC, Colorado and the like not Arkansas or Louisiana where the states political leaning as a whole has moved.

The problem for the Rs is that they need someone who the base implicitly trusts- like Bush in 2000- so that that candidate can focus on the independents without having to move too far right in the primaries. Also except for Kerry- every losing Presidential candidate since 80 has lost multiple presidential contests whether it was previously in the primary or as a #2 on the ticket- sometimes both. So goal one is coming up with someone who can win on the first try because second acts are rarely successful.
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Old 02-05-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This ain't 1901. You fail.

Never said it was. Where did you get that?

I was pointing that out to them, when the other poster assumed or making it out to be, all Republicans are Conservatives.
Far from it.
Mitt Romney from his own mouth said he was a Progressive Republican.
John McCain a former Progressive Democrat.....
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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I think one thing that is getting overlooked is that aside from Reagan's landslide of 84 and Clinton's mastery of the middle in 96- all the reelection bids for the last 40 years have been about the base.
Obama won re-election with less electoral votes and less total votes than the first time (percentage and number). FDR was the only other President that did this in his 1940 election - but that was for his third term.

I think it is very hard (and not true) to say that Reagan's near-50 state domination in 1984 was driven entirely by turn out of the base. He captured states that voted for Carter in 1980, including Massachusetts and Rhode Island (hardly states where his "base" would turn out). As Bill Clinton would, "It's about the economy, stupid."
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Jeb will be the same way.

Sell another big government globalist, who's dad preached the New World Order, as a conservative and you can expect many Independents and those principled Conservatives to stay home again.

Put a Constitutional Conservative up there to rationalize the truth and you will get the GOP base, as they will vote anyone with a Republican tag on them, but you also get many Independents. The voters they call the silent majority.

Lie to the silent majority right off the bat and you lost their vote. Putting a Progressive up there, with a Conservative label on them, as if you think they are stupid.

Hillary can't even excite democrats. She will not excite independents.

Democrats suffering from Clinton fatigue say they
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