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Old 02-03-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Jeb will be the same way.

Sell another big government globalist, who's dad preached the New World Order, as a conservative and you can expect many Independents and those principled Conservatives to stay home again.

Put a Constitutional Conservative up there to rationalize the truth and you will get the GOP base, as they will vote anyone with a Republican tag on them, but you also get many Independents. The voters they call the silent majority.

Lie to the silent majority right off the bat and you lost their vote. Putting a Progressive up there, with a Conservative label on them, as if you think they are stupid.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Why would independents vote in large numbers for a "Constitutional Conservative", ie, Right Wingnut?

Most independents are in the middle of the political spectrum, not on the fringes. There is no huge mass of conservatives hiding under the independent label just waiting for the GOP to embrace some reactionary.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Why would independents vote in large numbers for a "Constitutional Conservative", ie, Right Wingnut?

Most independents are in the middle of the political spectrum, not on the fringes. There is no huge mass of conservatives hiding under the independent label just waiting for the GOP to embrace some reactionary.
Actually, polls have shown the majority of independents consider themselves conservative.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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Actually, polls have shown the majority of independents consider themselves conservative.
Not true at all.

In a Jan. 2014 report, Independents characterized themselves as Moderate (40%), Conservative (35%) and Liberal (20%)


Liberal Self-Identification Edges Up to New High in 2013

Last edited by John Dark; 02-03-2015 at 01:05 PM.. Reason: clarifying pub. date
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Actually, polls have shown the majority of independents consider themselves conservative.
They're "independents" because they don't strongly identify with the wings of either party, so they don't join a party. Most voters, even party members, tend to be right of center on some issues and left of center on others. Generally only the voters on the party wings are strictly all right or all left, ie, ideologues.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Not true at all.

In a Jan. 2014 report, Independents characterized themselves as Moderate (40%), Conservative (35%) and Liberal (20%)


Liberal Self-Identification Edges Up to New High in 2013

Thanks for proving my point.
Split the moderate and the conservative take is 55-60% of independents.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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A lot of new Indies these days are Republicans who do not feel comfortable with the social and religious agenda that the Republican party is now associated with. Indies will vote for a moderate Republican. The OP is wrong on that. They might also vote for a right wing conservative over a democrat.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Actually, polls have shown the majority of independents consider themselves conservative.

Independents and moderates aren't exactly the same thing. Romney did fine with Independents, but he did poorly with moderates. The hardline "Constitutional Conservative" will even have more trouble with moderates.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Mitt Romney won the independent vote in 2012.
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Romney won 59% of the white vote, so he must have gotten some independent votes. Only about 25% self-ID as GOP. Romney's problem was that he could not draw the votes of no-white indys.
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