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Old 03-04-2015, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The northern colonies needed the wealth of the agricultural cotton rich south to survive. They made a compromise they never intended to keep. Never. The southern wealth & resources where too great to let go. from the get go, the Northern states hated the wealth of the Southern states.
Nice job trying to revise history and also ignore that slavery existed in the Northern colonies during the founding of our country.
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Old 03-04-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Just outside of McDonough, Georgia
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If you believe the Democrat propaganda machine they will claim that the GOP lost on social issues. That an illegal immigration (but only the Hispanic vote on that one and only 10 million of them voted).
I won't discuss illegal immigration, but as for social issues, the GOP (well, at least the social conservatives, anyway) did lose on social issues in 2014, depending on your definition of "lost".

I mentioned this in another thread, but I call 2014 "the ironic election". While Republicans were being elected left and right, Dems lost their Senate majority, and even traditionally "safe" blue states were given GOP governors (MA, IL, and MD), there were also:

- minimum wage initiatives that passed in every last state where they were on the ballot,
- defeats for personhood amendments in North Dakota (of all places) and Colorado,
- marijuana legalization in Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, D.C., with Florida coming just short (58%),
- and several cities and towns - many rural - that passed GMO and fracking restrictions.

And before you accuse me of buying into "Dem propaganda", keep in mind that many of these initiatives passed handily in conservative states (Arkansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Alaska, etc.) where there was heavy, heavy Republican turnout and the unseating of many Democrats.

While not every Republican is against higher minimum wages, marijuana legalization, fracking restrictions, and abortion, it was surprising to see so many liberal/libertarian initiatives get passed while Republicans got elected in so many states.

- skbl17
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Old 03-04-2015, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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The Gay Marriage issue would not be the deciding factor. A lot of the younger voters also choose not agree with gay lifestyle/rights,(for religious reason or not).
Many prefer for their beliefs not stomped on, or for someone elses lifestyle pushed down their throats. Which seems to be a pretty popular thing that liberals want to do lately.
No one is trying to shove anything down anyone's throat. Gays are merely asking for legal recognition of their relationships. Yet we have straight people who actually believe that THEY are the ones who should validate OUR relationships or not. Sounds like THEY are the ones shoving down THEIR beliefs and yes, religion down OUR throats. Little do they know that that is unconstitutional, un-American and unpopular.

63% of Americans now support gay marriage. And it absolutely does affect voters' choice. I know MANY gays who would love to vote Republican, but instead choose to vote Democrat, simply because of Republicans' stance on marriage.

There is absolutely no rational stance against gay marriage. Literally every single argument has been proven irrational or shot down.

We have had gay marriage here in New England states for like 10 years now. We're laughing at the rest of the nation actually debating it like it's an ISSUE!
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Our founding fathers were Christians. Do you actually think that they intended equal rights to include gay marriage?
Undoubtedly not. Anymore than they considered women, blacks, and propertyless men as citizens with full voting and other civil rights. But that was nearly 250 years ago. Cultural changes happen. That's why the founders provided clear standards about equal rights for all citizens. As the definition of who is part of the electorate has expanded, so has the extension of civil rights.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Undoubtedly not. Anymore than they considered women, blacks, and propertyless men as citizens with full voting and other civil rights. But that was nearly 250 years ago. Cultural changes happen. That's why the founders provided clear standards about equal rights for all citizens. As the definition of who is part of the electorate has expanded, so has the extension of civil rights.
You call two men or two women marrying each other a cultural change and an equal rights issue? If our culture is headed in that direction then we are aren't on the right path as a Christian nation. There is no comparison to that and your scenario about how women and blacks were treated in the past. It's not the same thing at all.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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We are not now, nor were we ever, a Christian nation. Unlike the Mid East, we maintain a healthy separation of church and state.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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You call two men or two women marrying each other a cultural change and an equal rights issue? If our culture is headed in that direction then we are aren't on the right path as a Christian nation. There is no comparison to that and your scenario about how women and blacks were treated in the past. It's not the same thing at all.
In my view, and in the view of a majority of americans, including religious americans, that is exactly what it is.

You don't have to like it. But your claiming religious primacy in a secular nation is a specious argument.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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We are not now, nor were we ever, a Christian nation. Unlike the Mid East, we maintain a healthy separation of church and state.
Mentions to God is everywhere in this US Gov. In God we Trust comes to mind and the other endowed by our Creator.
The Early colonies used Church Law and the Kings Law, because of lack of laws in the New world. From James Town to St. Augustine to Philadelphia God was the part of our early days. It continues today silently, but remains as a reminder of our humble beginnings.

What the critical point is the Gov shall not have a State Church.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:45 PM
 
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In my view, and in the view of a majority of americans, including religious americans, that is exactly what it is.

You don't have to like it. But your claiming religious primacy in a secular nation is a specious argument.
Wrong! Christian Americans oppose gay marriage and homosexual activity. Are you serious? You call it a cultural change well Christians oppose that type of change because of the obvious.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:51 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Show me an officially established religion in any official US document?
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