The GOP will never win another President, without the Tea Party (nuclear, Kennedy)
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The 14th amendment, doesn't give gays the right to marry, anymore than it gave women the right to vote.
But back on topic... The GOP establishment cannot win a presidential election. McCain, Romney and now Jeb, will prove that against a very weak Democrat.
The only way the Republicans take the whitehouse, is with a constitutional conservative, the tea party can come out from under their rocks to vote.
McCain couldn't do it and neither could Mitt. Jeb will be no different, no matter how much the media pushes him as the guy.
They want him to be the guy, so Hilary wins.
So who is this fictional gar right winger who will somehow win by only getting right wing voters to vote for him and lose out on the independent voters?
dont even see the point of the gop trying to win any elections
from what i can see the senior people in the party all do the same ish that the othet party does
i think all these dudes need to die or go away
What a hateful remark. You should be ashamed of yourself. Do you have grandparents? Is that the way you feel about them? Disgusting! You're full of it if you think the GOP is only composed of seniors also.
The 14th amendment, doesn't give gays the right to marry, anymore than it gave women the right to vote.
But back on topic... The GOP establishment cannot win a presidential election. McCain, Romney and now Jeb, will prove that against a very weak Democrat.
The only way the Republicans take the whitehouse, is with a constitutional conservative, the tea party can come out from under their rocks to vote.
McCain couldn't do it and neither could Mitt. Jeb will be no different, no matter how much the media pushes him as the guy.
They want him to be the guy, so Hilary wins.
Where are all these "constitutional conservatives" located? Look, it's not 1984 anymore. This is 2015 ... and we (the GOP) need to adapt to the changing demographic realities. We cannot win by appealing solely to "constitutional conservatives" (the Tea Party + the "religious right") anymore.
You don't seem to understand that the president is elected by the Electoral College, not by popular vote ... so unless all these people are hiding in states like Florida, Ohio, or Virginia then it's not going to do any good. The states populated with the sort of people you are aligning with to tend to have relatively low numbers of votes in the EC (with the notable exception of Texas).
You need 270 votes to win, here are the numbers from the 10 most GOP leaning states and the 10 most Dem leaning states:
10 most Democrat leaning states:
Washington - 12
Minnesota - 10
Oregon - 7
California - 55
Rhode Island - 4
New York - 29
Massachusetts - 11
Maryland - 10
Michigan - 16
Wisconsin - 10
Can you see the numbers? California alone has almost as many votes in the EC as the 10 most Republican leaning states COMBINED. California + Rhode Island cancels out the 10 most Republican leanings states like *poof* ... and your solution is to become even more conservative? Yeah, bad move bro.
Your argument rests on the premise that tea party voters are staying home in significantly large numbers. But that's unlikely. The tea party voters hate Obama so much, they show up at the polls to vote, even if it's for a candidate they aren't that partial to.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
You and your friends do not add up to significant numbers. Many tea party voters in other parts of the country will vote for Governor Bush.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Not if it is for someone like Jeb
About this point, I saw an article Gateway Pundit state that 3 million Republican voters didn't vote between 2008 and 2012 and another two/three off of Bush in 2004 and Rush Limbaugh stated the same thing (click here for a transcript from his show in 2012 about the stay home vote.) Here's the thing though, as we look back, Romney actually GAINED votes as his tallied votes was 60.1 million compared to McCain's 59.9 million, 200,000 votes more (rather than the 3 million drop off of early reports.) Romney still didn't have as many as W. Bush did in 2004 with his 62 million (1.9 million more.) W. Bush was no different than Jeb or Romney and got 1.9 million more. My question is was this 1.9 million the future Tea Partiers before they heard the word of Ron Paul OR are they independent conservatives? I don't think that there was 1.9 million that truly dropped off because they weren't offering conservative enough candidates. But hey if you want to believe that because of the echo chamber, that's on you.
About this point, I saw an article Gateway Pundit state that 3 million Republican voters didn't vote between 2008 and 2012 and another two/three off of Bush in 2004 and Rush Limbaugh stated the same thing (click here for a transcript from his show in 2012 about the stay home vote.) Here's the thing though, as we look back, Romney actually GAINED votes as his tallied votes was 60.1 million compared to McCain's 59.9 million, 200,000 votes more (rather than the 3 million drop off of early reports.) Romney still didn't have as many as W. Bush did in 2004 with his 62 million (1.9 million more.) W. Bush was no different than Jeb or Romney and got 1.9 million more. My question is was this 1.9 million the future Tea Partiers before they heard the word of Ron Paul OR are they independent conservatives? I don't think that there was 1.9 million that truly dropped off because they weren't offering conservative enough candidates. But hey if you want to believe that because of the echo chamber, that's on you.
That is actually a good point, more Republicans showed up to vote in 2012 compared to 2008, and less Democrats showed up to vote in 2012 compared to 2008. Yet even with less Democrats showing up to vote, they still had no probably easily beating the Republicans and still tallied a vote count only second to Obama's first election.
That is actually a good point, more Republicans showed up to vote in 2012 compared to 2008, and less Democrats showed up to vote in 2012 compared to 2008. Yet even with less Democrats showing up to vote, they still had no probably easily beating the Republicans and still tallied a vote count only second to Obama's first election.
That and even with the W. Bush numbers in 2004, the popular vote would have still went to Obama in 12, let alone 2008. As I mentioned, many independent conservatives hate moderates like Bush, McCain and Romney so I truly doubt they influenced Dubbya's win.
McCain and especially Romney couldn't convince the Conservatives, with his Progressive history, rhetoric and flat out admission.
Try it again and expect different results....
Romney only did 2 million less than Bush in 2004, even if those extra 2 million showed up to vote, Romney still would have lost the popular and electoral vote.
Romney only did 2 million less than Bush in 2004, even if those extra 2 million showed up to vote, Romney still would have lost the popular and electoral vote.
Keep doing the same thing over and over, each time expecting different results.....
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