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Old 03-26-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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No, he stated in an interview that anyone could run for office if they were "Constitutionally" eligible.
correct, never implying that obama wasn't.

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It was Hillary's campaign plan to make Obama out to be "UnAmerican"
possibly but it never descended into birtherism.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:29 PM
 
Location: it depends
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1. He did NOT shut down the government. He fought on behalf of his constituents to defund Obamacare. His filibuster informed many people about the truth of Obamacare. The democrats were the ones who refused to sign the bill funding the government if it failed to fund their Obamacare creation.
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This nails it: the "defunding" was the single most cynical and ridiculous thing any Republican has done in a long, long, time.

The fact is, the ACA totally toasted the individual insurance market, destroyed it completely and replaced it with the ACA exchanges. If you were not using the individual insurance market, you have a huge burden of proof to show that you know what you are talking about.

The health insurance market for self employed, small business, shopkeepers, farmers, ranchers etc. was DESTROYED. These people HAD to go to the ACA exchanges or ACA-eligible policies.

"Defunding" means that Cruz was perfectly happy to toss all those people under the bus: the government ruined their health insurance marketplace, and Cruz was fine with just stopping in midstream.

Some of us liked the policies we could not keep. And we were mad at Obamacare and the way it was passed. But to just STOP, to defund....totally irresponsible nonsense.

Of course, this strategy appealed to morons who had no skin in the game. Obviously. But the last thing we need in 2016 is another glib rookie senator demagogue whose public policy knowledge and skills are so lacking. Good thing there is a deep and wide field of better alternatives than Rafi.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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If Cruz is the best that republicans can field for a Presidential candidate the Democrats will have no problem taking the Presidency in 2016.

No matter who the Republicans nominate in 2016, they'll be portrayed as a "radical" or a "nut".

Mr. Romney and Mr. McCain were the most moderate guys available in their respective years, if you only listened to the Democrats' you'd think that both of them were "extremist", "racist" and "hitlerlike".

The Republicans should realize that any of their folks are going to be smeared and just nominate who they think will do the best job, and not worry about the what the Democrats will say, the attacks on Christie or Jeb or Santorum or Huntsman would all be the same as they will be on Senator Cruz.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Funny, his election to the US Senate was supported by all kinds of voters, including independents and "Reagan" democrats.
A state election in a very conservative state that has a very low voter participation isn't something to brag about.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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A state election in a very conservative state that has a very low voter participation isn't something to brag about.
Cruz was outspent big time in the primary, and faced down impressive opposition from prominent politicians in his own party.

They wanted someone else, someone more beholden to the party line.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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Another logical fallacy.

Cruz appeals to a wide swath of conservatives. He must seem like a huge threat to Leftists because they are sure spending a lot of time trying to destroy him. I predict that the harder they try, the more popular he will become. This is because it helps to shine the light of truth on who they are.
Exactly...Cruz can't win, but Obama could because he won as Senator of Illinois?
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Exactly...Cruz can't win, but Obama could because he won as Senator of Illinois?
If the electorate is impressed with Cruz next year, and feel the country is ready for a latino president, he'll win the election and become president.

Of course he can win, he's a well spoken individual who can make his points.

Doesn't mean the electorate will accept them, but remember the President Reagan was 30 points behind 8 months before the 1980 elections. Cruz certainly can be elected.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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This nails it: the "defunding" was the single most cynical and ridiculous thing any Republican has done in a long, long, time.

The fact is, the ACA totally toasted the individual insurance market, destroyed it completely and replaced it with the ACA exchanges. If you were not using the individual insurance market, you have a huge burden of proof to show that you know what you are talking about.

The health insurance market for self employed, small business, shopkeepers, farmers, ranchers etc. was DESTROYED. These people HAD to go to the ACA exchanges or ACA-eligible policies.

"Defunding" means that Cruz was perfectly happy to toss all those people under the bus: the government ruined their health insurance marketplace, and Cruz was fine with just stopping in midstream.

Some of us liked the policies we could not keep. And we were mad at Obamacare and the way it was passed. But to just STOP, to defund....totally irresponsible nonsense.

Of course, this strategy appealed to morons who had no skin in the game. Obviously. But the last thing we need in 2016 is another glib rookie senator demagogue whose public policy knowledge and skills are so lacking. Good thing there is a deep and wide field of better alternatives than Rafi.

Give me a break! He was elected by people who WANTED O-care defunded. If anyone was thrown under the bus it is people like you who lost the policies they were happy with. Defunding O-care would have returned choice and decision making back to the individual. It would not pay for freebies or make men pay for GYN care or women pay for prostate exams, etc., that they do not need and that run the cost of Insurance up. The GOP had SEVERAL alternative plans that would FIX what was broke, i.e., pre-existing conditions and risk pool costs, without denying coverage to thousands of insured and pricing thousands more out of the market because their current plan was not good enough for Obama.

Cruz is not "another glib rookie senator demagogue...." You may not know it, but between 1999 and 2003, Cruz served as the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and as domestic policy advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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If the electorate is impressed with Cruz next year, and feel the country is ready for a latino president, he'll win the election and become president.

Of course he can win, he's a well spoken individual who can make his points.

Doesn't mean the electorate will accept them, but remember the President Reagan was 30 points behind 8 months before the 1980 elections. Cruz certainly can be elected.

Exactly! And Cruz was 16 points down in the primary and 18 points down in the general election and was outspent more than 2 to 1 and won by more than 16 points!

Once Cruz starts retail politicking and everyday people can see for themselves what he is about, instead of buying into the MSM propaganda, he is going to be a force for any of the geezers in the Dem lineup!
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Old 03-26-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Does it matter what year father & son Rafael declared their "oath of allegiance" to America? Why wait so long?
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