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Old 04-01-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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I don't think not trusting someone because of their beliefs makes any sense.
I have to ask, what criteria do you think DOES make sense when determining whom to trust? For me, a person's beliefs are pretty important, because they tell me about that person's values.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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I really don't think anyone considers it a qualification for President. I am not a Cruz supporter, he isn't going to the nomination, but if he feels better bring religion into every conversation, just let it go. You probably would not vote for him anyway. I don't think not trusting someone because of their beliefs makes any sense. Would you feel the same about an athiest or agnostic?
I'd say we better be distrusting of someone that is explicitly saying that their beliefs are influencing policy. A lot of modern Republican candidates have put religion and pandering to the religious right front and center. It used to be to get votes, but now the candidates themselves are true believers themselves. We had better be discussing it.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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I have to ask, what criteria do you think DOES make sense when determining whom to trust? For me, a person's beliefs are pretty important, because they tell me about that person's values.
Very true!
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I really don't think anyone considers it a qualification for President. I am not a Cruz supporter, he isn't going to the nomination, but if he feels better bring religion into every conversation, just let it go. You probably would not vote for him anyway. I don't think not trusting someone because of their beliefs makes any sense. Would you feel the same about an athiest or agnostic?
There is a difference between having strong religious beliefs and RUNNING and wanting to make POLICY DECISIONS based on those religious beliefs.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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Then why mention just whites?? You missed the point while falsely playing the race card.

You mean the question while falsely playing the race card.

Because blacks didn't own slaves and Blacks are not Christians right?

I agree that you falsely play the race card.
You do know that simply mentioning race is not the same thing as "playing the race card," right? Because from your responses in this thread it appears that you don't understand the difference.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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This is very different from whether Cruz is elegible to run. It has been determined he is;
not really.

altho most legal experts agree that cruz is most likely eligible it's still a direct question about the definition of "natural born citizen" that has not yet been addressed by the supreme court.

here are three great opinions on the topic:

On the Meaning of

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

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Have you researched the law?.
yep.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Anyway fact of the matter is both Cruz ad Obama are eligible, any questions about either were answered very early on.
the question of obama's eligibilty ( outside of the "fraudulent birth certificate" conspiracy theories ) were answered in ankeny v daniels:

"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

altho i'm confident that cruz will be found eligible, it's a question that has yet to be directly addressed by the court.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Ted Cruz's campaign for President will be an utter trainwreck

It doesn't matter.

Because clearly he isn't running for president.

He's just getting his name and face out there on a platform that'll get him maximum publicity, which is what he seeks. Because he isn't interested in public service. He may well give up his senate seat before his term is up to make megabucks Sarah Palin style. And avoid all those bothersome responsibilities that go with elected office.

So many suckers on the right getting taken for a ride.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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Because clearly he isn't running for president.

He's just getting his name and face out there on a platform that'll get him maximum publicity, which is what he seeks.
that's been my take on the subject.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It doesn't matter.

Because clearly he isn't running for president.

He's just getting his name and face out there on a platform that'll get him maximum publicity, which is what he seeks. Because he isn't interested in public service. He may well give up his senate seat before his term is up to make megabucks Sarah Palin style. And avoid all those bothersome responsibilities that go with elected office.

So many suckers on the right getting taken for a ride.
^^^^Yes, that is very much the conventional wisdom. Nobody believes he could get the GOP nomination never mind win the general.
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