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Old 04-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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So I guess the claim is that in order for either party to gain the minority vote they have to have more minority politicians in their party? WTH? What difference does it make what skin color/race or ethnicity one is? What an admittance that minorities are ethnocentric and play identity politics.
That does help try to steer people.
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Old 04-09-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Utah
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As I understand it. Were it not for the fear that certain segments of the population are out to fleece the others, the American infatuation with "small government" (as a philosophy, not necessarily a lived reality; alternatively, socialism for me but not for thee) would be much diminished.
Meanwhile, the champions of big government never miss an opportunity to claim the rich are fleecing the poor, business is fleecing workers, whites are fleecing minorities, corporations are fleecing consumers, so they need government protection ... I guess it all depends on whose sheep are being fleeced.
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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Drop the religious crap and most of the socially conservative message (except for general support for people getting married before they have children), focus on economic growth and personal freedom, and the Republicans will *probably* win.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:49 AM
 
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Drop the religious crap and most of the socially conservative message (except for general support for people getting married before they have children), focus on economic growth and personal freedom, and the Republicans will *probably* win.
I don't consider morality to be "religious crap". Without morals one is just and empty suit. Without morality we cease to be a decent nation.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Drop the religious crap and most of the socially conservative message (except for general support for people getting married before they have children), focus on economic growth and personal freedom, and the Republicans will *probably* win.

Out of all the social issues, opposition to illegitimacy would seem to be one least likely to curry favor. 75% of the children in major cities like Washington DC or Cleveland OH are born out of wedlock. Why pick that fight that will alienate so many?
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Old 04-10-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I don't consider morality to be "religious crap". Without morals one is just and empty suit. Without morality we cease to be a decent nation.
Morals are subjective.....
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Old 04-10-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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With Clinton, one must factor in that she'll get the highest percent of the female vote in history. If the demographics stay similar to 2012, there's no way in hell the GOP has a chance.

I've said it before, and I've said it again. That party is too white and too old. You need to replace the old whites with young minorities like Booker and Rubio.

How the right can still back guys like Boehner and Mcconnell as figureheads is laughable.
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Morals are subjective.....
Exactly, it's not black and white because they are situational and not just did God say not to do it anywhere in the bible or specifically in the Ten Commandments.
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Old 04-10-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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I don't consider morality to be "religious crap". Without morals one is just and empty suit. Without morality we cease to be a decent nation.
And yet, one can be moral without being religious. One need have nothing to do with the other, despite the claims of many fundamentalists here.
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Old 04-10-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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And yet, one can be moral without being religious. One need have nothing to do with the other, despite the claims of many fundamentalists here.
Very true. In fact, a lot of very immoral people have been associated with evangelical christianity. Not to mention this whole of prosperity gospel is nauseating.

As a millenial the GOP will continue to push away voters unless they abandon ship on social issues. Sure, they'll carry the South, but the South will not give you a win in a presidential race.

The South will have to decide to give up its ways or render the party irrelevant in national elections. My generation is exceedingly non-religious, accepting of gay marriage, anti-bigot, and pro-women with the exception of the staid old ways of the South.
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