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Old 04-17-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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All this talk of his great debating skills and all we have seen, is him debating the media... and winning.

I cannot wait to see Ted Cruz, debate someone.... Anyone.
How about you?



It will be so easy to see, those afraid of Cruz actually getting far enough down the road, to debate their gal.
Conservatives always confuse skill with ideology. Cruz may be great at telling conservatives what they want to hear, but he will not be able to convince anyone to vote for him that is not already a far right Tea Partier. A truly great debater can convince people to change their opinions and Cruz does not have that type of skill. I see Ted Cruz as one of the weakest candidates in the GOP field, zero charisma with a rhetorical style that is abrasive to say the least. He appeals only to the lunatic fringe of the Republican party.
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Old 04-17-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm afraid you are acutely unaware of what either one of those mean, and/or how to apply them.
Really? I think I do. Most people (apparently including you) do not know what "Progressivism" is, or how it entered our politics.

I have done some research on the "Progressive movement" (imported into the US from Europe [Germany] through the university system).

Some consider Woodrow Wilson to be the "Father of the "Progressive Movement" in America.
F.A. Hayek ("The Road to Serfdom") calls it "collectivism" and equates it with Marxist/socialism. Great resource; you should read it.

Do your own research.
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Conservatives always confuse skill with ideology. Cruz may be great at telling conservatives what they want to hear, but he will not be able to convince anyone to vote for him that is not already a far right Tea Partier. A truly great debater can convince people to change their opinions and Cruz does not have that type of skill. I see Ted Cruz as one of the weakest candidates in the GOP field, zero charisma with a rhetorical style that is abrasive to say the least. He appeals only to the lunatic fringe of the Republican party.

The media will not be editorializing and speaking for him as much, as in the past. The nation will get to see the skills first hand, to make the choice for themselves.

Ted, is very good at baiting his foe, into the truth. Unlike Trey Gowdy, that just states the obvious, in a scolding. Ted gets them to admit it. He is very dangerous to anyone that wishes to argue with him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81yahgUJBSw
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ye1KDm3t4Q


Debate that...
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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The media will not be editorializing and speaking for him as much, as in the past. The nation will get to see the skills first hand, to make the choice for themselves.

Ted, is very good at baiting his foe, into the truth. Unlike Trey Gowdy, that just states the obvious, in a scolding. Ted gets them to admit it. He is very dangerous to anyone that wishes to argue with him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81yahgUJBSw
The video you posted proves my point. If you already agree with Cruz, you love him. If not, he comes across as a smug, arrogant jerk. Cruz can't get the moderates and independents that actually decide elections to vote for him.

This is the fatal flaw that conservatives make over and over again. They pick a candidate that is an extremist and an ideological firebrand that is completely unlikable and polarizing to anyone outside the Fox News and right wing talk radio echo chamber.
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The video you posted proves my point. If you already agree with Cruz, you love him. If not, he comes across as a smug, arrogant jerk. Cruz can't get the moderates and independents that actually decide elections to vote for him.

This is the fatal flaw that conservatives make over and over again. They pick a candidate that is an extremist and an ideological firebrand that is completely unlikable and polarizing to anyone outside the Fox News and right wing talk radio echo chamber.

Notice how Cruz doesn't cut anyone off. He will let them talk and talk. He lets them dig a bigger hole. Then shows how wrong they are by their own admission, with a few simple questions.
Cruz could have Ron Paul's 89 seconds and make you look like a fool, while you talk for 2 hours.
The guy comes prepped with facts and knows what he is going to be discussing.
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noy5f-y0uhY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzb9Hs2SmfQ




It is always nice to see a career elite ivory tower democrat squirm.

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Old 04-17-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Notice how Cruz doesn't cut anyone off. He will let them talk and talk. He lets them dig a bigger hole. Then shows how wrong they are by their own admission, with a few simple questions.
Cruz could have Ron Paul's 89 seconds and make you look like a fool, while you talk for 2 hours.
The guy comes prepped with facts and knows what he is going to be discussing.
I guess you will never understand. You think he is great because you already agree with everything he is going to say. I think he comes across as smug and unlikable and even more extreme than the average Republican. He is exactly why large groups of people won't even consider voting for a GOP that is held hostage by Teahadists and fundamentalist Christians.

If Cruz is the GOP candidate, the Democrats will win in a landslide.
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I guess you will never understand. You think he is great because you already agree with everything he is going to say. I think he comes across as smug and unlikable and even more extreme than the average Republican. He is exactly why large groups of people won't even consider voting for a GOP that is held hostage by Teahadists and fundamentalist Christians.

If Cruz is the GOP candidate, the Democrats will win in a landslide.

If only Obama had done so much before announcing he was going to run for President...
We may have got to know him better, than what we had to discover the hard way.
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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If only Obama had done so much before announcing he was going to run for President...
We may have got to know him better, than what we had to discover the hard way.
The always predictable Obama deflection. I should have known you were just trolling.
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