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Old 04-27-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What they have been doing ain't working... Is it?

The last time the republicans had a landslide, was with a much more conservative candidate once in the general election. The guy wasn't even young.
Yeah with an electorate who wasn't as diverse as it is now. In 1980 the whites made up 88% of the electorate, in 1996 it was down to 83% and dropped to 72% for 2012. Romney had the best showing with 59% but had lower African American and Hispanic turn out than Reagan did and yet their turn out increased. FYI, Obama did have a 2% tick in African American votes but the percentage is fairly constant and has been rising towards the Democrat side. The Republicans need to be more cognisant to these growing demographics or become the next dead political party.
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Old 04-27-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Cruz is a fringe candidate.

May not win a single primary.

He sounds smart to a dumb audience, though.

Cruz isn't fringe. You ought to know about the dumb audience part.
Do the "you mad bro" thing again.
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Old 04-27-2015, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Cruz isn't fringe. You ought to know about the dumb audience part.
Do the "you mad bro" thing again.
Spoken like a Texan who's out there on the fringe with Ted.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What they have been doing ain't working... Is it?

The last time the republicans had a landslide, was with a much more conservative candidate once in the general election. The guy wasn't even young.
People are finding jobs again now. The Great Recession is over. The housing bubble is shrinking as people are beginning to buy homes once again. The NASDAQ finally returned to it's pre-recession high this month.

We have avoided going into war again by the skin of our teeth. Pictures of terminally sick kids on glass charity jugs no longer sit next to cash registers. No one can now be denied health insurance for having a bad ticker or any other previous condition. College loans can now no longer cripple young graduates for 30 years of the most productive time in their lives.

The American automobile industry is healthy. So are dozens of other American businesses. Cities are working their way clear of 8 bad years of the first 10 in the 21st century.

We have a long way to go still, and we have a lot more to do, but things are getting better. We aren't stuck in the rut anymore.

Yeah… I think all that is working pretty good. Everything could be working better, but everything can always work better. Real progress has been made, whether you like it or not. Millions of folks see it just as I see it. If you can't see the progress, that's your problem. It's happened.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Going to be a repeat of watching Cruz fans get disappointed like Ron Paul fans did, best to let them enjoy their fantasy while it lasts. The Primaries are going to be a rude awakening for them and Ted, especially once Ted sees how badly he does, meaning his visions of grandeur will come crashing down with the reality that he will never be President of the United States of America.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I can see Ted winning more conservative states (Arizona, Texas, the south) but that is it. Ted doesn't connect with enough independent and moderates. If he did, he'd have a higher favor ability rating in most polls since the 2013 government shutdown.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Going to be a repeat of watching Cruz fans get disappointed like Ron Paul fans did, best to let them enjoy their fantasy while it lasts. The Primaries are going to be a rude awakening for them and Ted, especially once Ted sees how badly he does, meaning his visions of grandeur will come crashing down with the reality that he will never be President of the United States of America.
Yup.
But when Ted hits the dirt and goes up in flames, the sniveling will begin all over again, and it gets mighty shrill and tiresome.
There will always be another Ted Cruz. And there will always be luddites who will follow Ted II, III, IV,... XVII. I guess all the rest of us can do is try to buy better earplugs to dampen the incessant whine to tolerable levels.
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Old 04-28-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yeah with an electorate who wasn't as diverse as it is now. In 1980 the whites made up 88% of the electorate, in 1996 it was down to 83% and dropped to 72% for 2012. Romney had the best showing with 59% but had lower African American and Hispanic turn out than Reagan did and yet their turn out increased. FYI, Obama did have a 2% tick in African American votes but the percentage is fairly constant and has been rising towards the Democrat side. The Republicans need to be more cognisant to these growing demographics or become the next dead political party.

Cali, hasn't gone red since Reagan compromised and let all those illegal aliens in to stay and vote.
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Old 04-28-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I can see Ted winning more conservative states (Arizona, Texas, the south) but that is it. Ted doesn't connect with enough independent and moderates. If he did, he'd have a higher favor ability rating in most polls since the 2013 government shutdown.

Ted had to get the independents, to beat all the big money David Dewhurst threw at him.
Your argument holds no water. We all witnessed just the opposite, to get Ted where he is now.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Cali, hasn't gone red since Reagan compromised and let all those illegal aliens in to stay and vote.
So shouldn't the illegals be voting for Republicans if Reagan gave them amnesty?

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Ted had to get the independents, to beat all the big money David Dewhurst threw at him.
Your argument holds no water. We all witnessed just the opposite, to get Ted where he is now.
Are you sure? Texas is a VERY conservative state. Dewhurst likely just didn't translate to TEA Party members and conservative Republicans end of story. All you are doing is adding spin. Put Cruz the ballot in states that aren't conservative and we'll likely see him tank.
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