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Old 06-07-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Are you joking? Any language other than English is a foreign language on our soil. English isn't anymore because we adopted it as our de facto national American language.
People have been speaking Spanish in what is today the United States since before the first of the orignal Thirteen (British) Colonies were even thought of.
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Old 06-07-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Are you joking? Any language other than English is a foreign language on our soil. English isn't anymore because we adopted it as our de facto national American language.
When the United States was founded, there were three European languages being spoken on this continent: Spanish, French, and English. If France had won the Seven Wars War, we all might be speaking French today. Spanish never died out and in many places in the U.S. today it is the primary language. English is not the official language, we have no official language. There is not anything foreign about Spanish. Its speakers are Americans.
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Old 06-07-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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When the United States was founded, there were three European languages being spoken on this continent: Spanish, French, and English. If France had won the Seven Wars War, we all might be speaking French today. Spanish never died out and in many places in the U.S. today it is the primary language. English is not the official language, we have no official language. There is not anything foreign about Spanish. Its speakers are Americans.
So what? English was still adopted as our national de facto language. I never said it was our official language but it sure should be. Spanish is only prevalent in the southwest and Miami because of the Cubans. Still English is spoken more widely in those places also. I never said that Spanish speakers weren't Americans but their language is not our identifying one. You are mixing apples with oranges here. All of our government documents and the Constitution are in English not Spanish nor any other language. Sorry if that bothers you.
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Old 06-07-2015, 08:09 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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So what? English was still adopted as our national de facto language. I never said it was our official language but it sure should be. Spanish is only prevalent in the southwest and Miami because of the Cubans. Still English is spoken more widely in those places also. I never said that Spanish speakers weren't Americans but their language is not our identifying one. You are mixing apples with oranges here. All of our government documents and the Constitution are in English not Spanish nor any other language. Sorry if that bothers you.
That's interesting because the two oldest American cities (depending on who you talk to - St. Augustine or San Juan) were settled by Spanish speakers. The third oldest American city: Santa Fe, NM - also settled by the Spanish.

Contrary the popular belief the United States began with Juan Ponce de Leon ... not with the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock.
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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I was in Chinatown today (NYC), no one was speaking English, including a local politician. Ct pols I know personally spoke Italian at gatherings with their organizations.
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:13 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"The first generation Latinos are conservative and religious, the second are more moderate and third generation, because they live mostly in cities tend to be liberal, more know what the three groups have in common, love for the welfare state .. . it overcomes issues such as abortion, gay marriage and other things, Latinos are apathetic to these questions, it is not for nothing that these issues already in many Latin countries is legalized, mainly in Mexico and South America."
I think you've highlighted a reality than many Republicans prefer to paper over with the false panaceas of 'immigration reform' or ethnic tokenism. In a lengthy post on the GOP's demographic challenges, I compiled extensive polling data indicating as much. To summarize, second/third+ generation Hispanics, as you mention, are far less likely to hold socially conservative positions than the first generation/foreign born. Additionally, the former group is much more apt to describe itself as politically 'liberal.' Support for activist government drops among latter generations, yet is still found at much higher levels than among the general population. Basically, with the exception of vestigial social conservatism seen at the older end of the age distribution, Hispanics favor the liberal/Democratic position on every issue (taxes, spending, guns, gays, abortion, etc.).

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Old 06-08-2015, 08:01 AM
 
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I think you've highlighted a reality than many Republicans prefer to paper over with the false panaceas of 'immigration reform' or ethnic tokenism. In a lengthy post on the GOP's demographic challenges, I compiled extensive polling data indicating as much. To summarize, second/third+ generation Hispanics, as you mention, are far less likely to hold socially conservative positions than the first generation/foreign born. Additionally, the former group is much more apt to describe itself as politically 'liberal.' Support for activist government drops among latter generations, yet is still found at much higher levels than among the general population. Basically, with the exception of vestigial social conservatism seen at the older end of the age distribution, Hispanics favor the liberal/Democratic position on every issue (taxes, spending, guns, gays, abortion, etc.).
And illegal immigration.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:03 PM
 
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I never said it was our official language .
It is not, never has been, and never will be.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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It is not, never has been, and never will be.
Jim Crow was killed and Leander Perez's buys would've taken you or me in IF we stood up for the rights of Black Americans 50 years ago. Then came Civil Rights.

I DO think that English WILL become the official language of the US. Tho we may need to get rid of Puerto Rico 1st.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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You can think cats will fly, too. That will not happen, either.
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