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So, republicans are trying to force all states into a singular, federal law? That might be a point of contention..
Do you want to allow states like Texas, Arizona etc to enforce immigration law? No liberals do not. Liberals don't want the feds to either. Many or most conservatives want the border to be controlled and immigration law enforced. If the feds say they hold the sole authority to do it, then do it. If that in part requires E-verify or reforming birthright citizenship etc then that is fine.
Unions aren't going to allow their members work for sub-standard wages so how are they to blame? If you mean that unions outed Trump for hiring illegals and paying them $5.00 then I would think you'd thank them. It's employers who provide illegals jobs at sub-standard wages that act like a carrot to bring them to this country. Dry up the jobs, end of the main reason they come here. Trump approved the contracts and prices he paid to sub-contractors, he knew what he was getting. I'll bet half the ground keeps on his golf courses are illegals. Just like his Trump University was bogus and is now under investigation, he can't do anything without cheating and suing.
Many illegals do get into unions one way or another and pay dues and unions are no longer are much against illegal immigration and illegal workers. That would be "bigoted" if they were. Trump did not hire illegals, the subcontractors did.
Your argument has basically devolved to, "if you buy produce you support illegal immigration and can't possible be against illegal immigration, drug traffickers, criminals and rapists without being a bigot" If a wealthy person said he thought the top tax bracket rate should be increased, he doesn't have to pay a higher rate while his competitors don't in the meantime to have credibility.
Unions aren't going to allow their members work for sub-standard wages so how are they to blame? If you mean that unions outed Trump for hiring illegals and paying them $5.00 then I would think you'd thank them. It's employers who provide illegals jobs at sub-standard wages that act like a carrot to bring them to this country. Dry up the jobs, end of the main reason they come here. Trump approved the contracts and prices he paid to sub-contractors, he knew what he was getting. I'll bet half the ground keeps on his golf courses are illegals. Just like his Trump University was bogus and is now under investigation, he can't do anything without cheating and suing.
You have absolutely no proof of any of your claims just your raw hatred of anyone who is a Republican and apparently your sympathy for illegal aliens. What he paid sub-contractors doesn't mean he knew the individual wages of the workers on the contract or that they were illegal aliens. Rich people just look at the final dollar amount in choosing a contractor and it is up to the contractor to make sure he doesn't hire illegal aliens. If they do it is they that are breaking the law. You can bet all you want but your claims about the groundskeepers on his golf courses being illegal aliens with his knowledge are just biased projections by you.
Middle-aged mom is revising history. America was always historically 85%-90% white, ~100% white minus blacks. All whites came legally, up to over 50% of whites (not just Irish but from all over Europe) came as indentured servants. Most whites the vast majority however were not immigrants but the native born children in the colonies. Nonwhites do not own building this country or being poor workers or slaves. Whites advanced most science and discovery. America was built for and by whites and it's being stolen from them by progressives.
Progressives do not get to rewrite American and white history.
Not only that but she is called illegal aliens "undocumented workers". There is no such term in our immigration laws.
You have absolutely no proof of any of your claims just your raw hatred of anyone who is a Republican and apparently your sympathy for illegal aliens. What he paid sub-contractors doesn't mean he knew the individual wages of the workers on the contract or that they were illegal aliens. Rich people just look at the final dollar amount in choosing a contractor and it is up to the contractor to make sure he doesn't hire illegal aliens. If they do it is they that are breaking the law. You can bet all you want but your claims about the groundskeepers on his golf courses being illegal aliens with his knowledge are just biased projections by you.
None of it is relevant anyway. If you are forced to have to compete within a system against your competitors (illegal workers paid under the table), that doesn't mean you can't advocate for a different system for all to compete in.
Not only that but she is called illegal aliens "undocumented workers". There is no such term in our immigration laws.
Illegal aliens become illegal immigrants become undocumented immigrants and workers in progressive propaganda. Next they become disadvantage minorities worthy of special treatment.
How are the subcontractors and unions not to blame? And if Trump would've made sure beforehand no illegal Hispanics were employed in the construction, progressive would've still said, "bigoted!". You just can't say or do anything against illegals and mexico's policies without ,progressives labeling you.
I needed a new roof this year. I made it clear to each contractor that the contract would become null and void if they used undocumented labor. Surprise. Surprise. Only one, a father and son , would agree to these terms. Their price was competitive, too. Father explained to me that he has had to cut his installation fees to compete with all the contractors who use undocumented labor.
If I can do it for one lousy roof, surely a big ole corporation can impose the same requirements on their subs.
We cannot sit around and whine about lack of employment and then turn around and hire or hire subs who hire undocumented workers.
Do you want to allow states like Texas, Arizona etc to enforce immigration law? No liberals do not.
The liberal US Constitution doesn't either. So, there is that. However, businesses are a state business and they should be free to establish their specific rules within the framework of the federal authority. For example, it is valid for Texas to have e-Verify (which, surprisingly, required an executive order by an outgoing Governor). But if another state does not want to do it, should federal government force it?
I needed a new roof this year. I made it clear to each contractor that the contract would become null and void if they used undocumented labor. Surprise. Surprise. Only one, a father and son , would agree to these terms. Their price was competitive, too. Father explained to me that he has had to cut his installation fees to compete with all the contractors who use undocumented labor.
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If I can do it for one lousy roof, surely a big ole corporation can impose the
same requirements on their subs.
I'm sure they could. But you were one customer with one roof. If your business required you to install many roofs for customers, you would not be able to compete in a system that allows illegal laborers. I'm not trying defend corporations, Trump or anyone else for contracting or subcontracting illegal workers. But they should still be able to criticize the system of competing with illegal workers and the drug traffickers, criminals and rapist, without being called "bigot!" or a hypocrite.
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We cannot sit around and whine about lack of employment and then turn around and hire or hire subs who hire undocumented workers.
No we shouldn't. But even if we do, we should still be able to criticize massive illegal immigration, social services costs, trafficking, crime and rapist etc without being labeled "bigot!" and being completely economically blackmailed for political speech.
Anyway you are framing this debate about allegedly cheaper illegal labor in construction and farming. Illegal immigration doesn't just bring lower cost labor. It brings all sorts of other things and issues.
Unions aren't going to allow their members work for sub-standard wages so how are they to blame? If you mean that unions outed Trump for hiring illegals and paying them $5.00 then I would think you'd thank them. It's employers who provide illegals jobs at sub-standard wages that act like a carrot to bring them to this country. Dry up the jobs, end of the main reason they come here. Trump approved the contracts and prices he paid to sub-contractors, he knew what he was getting. I'll bet half the ground keeps on his golf courses are illegals. Just like his Trump University was bogus and is now under investigation, he can't do anything without cheating and suing.
Wake up and smell the coffee... employees hire the illegals because our government is looking the other way.. they won't enforce the laws.. this has been going on for over 20 years.
When Nafta passed , they started to come over in the trucks.. they don't all walk over the border. Clinton pushed that through while Perot knew it would kill American jobs, force the American people to take lower wages and keep the poor down.
The democrats really don't care about blacks or any race Americans.. They weakened the unions, and are job killers with cheap labor coming over our borders. The dems give lip service only , but they don't look at what it has done to the working American man or woman. Food lines have grown and the poor people are getting the shaft. Perot saw that and told the people and they still voted in Clinton.
No longer is the democratic party for the working man.. no more,, it is the party of gays, illegals and special interests.. and they give lip service only.
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