Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Stupid move by Trump, I actually agreed with a lot of what he said up until this. Even if he meant to say McCain doesn't do enough to help veterans, you don't say he's not a war hero. Someone really needs to help him word things the right way. Will be interesting to see what the next polls look like.
Trump reminds me of several people I knew back in the 60's who had wealthy well connected daddies that made it possible to avoid service. I was just another draft age male from a lower middle class background. My Dad was a machinist and Mom a clerk. I couldn't have avoided service even if I wanted to.
These privileged few stayed home went to college or got officer's commissions in the National Guard. Never left the states and had their degrees and work experience established even before a lot of us returned to civilian life.
Stupid move by Trump, I actually agreed with a lot of what he said up until this. Even if he meant to say McCain doesn't do enough to help veterans, you don't say he's not a war hero. Someone really needs to help him word things the right way. Will be interesting to see what the next polls look like.
Being a POW doesnt automatically make one a war hero, so technically it might be correct.
There just isnt anything to gain by not calling him a war hero so he shouldnt have said it.
It's not about liking McCain. It's about having respect for those who've served our country.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponderosa
The OP completely distorted what he actually said if your quote is correct. Thread fail.
I didn't distort anything. If you had clicked the link and read the article you'd know that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmnita
Sorry, someone who used their student status to not be drafted is not a draft dodger, I can't believe anyone would think that way. I do think, after college a persone can enlist which Trump obviously choose not to do.
I think we all need to step back and really see what Trump actually said, I think the OP is claiming something that is not really 100% accurate. BTW, I can't stand Trump, but I don't like accusations that are only partly true or taken out of context.
Again, try reading the article I linked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicet4
What did McCain do that was so great other than be captured?
But he did abandon his first wife who was grievously injured in a horrible traffic accident while waiting for his release.
McCaine is no hero.
Would you like to sign up to be held as a POW for years? I mean it sounds like it's no big deal to you, so why not try it yourself.
Sorry, someone who used their student status to not be drafted is not a draft dodger, I can't believe anyone would think that way. I do think, after college a persone can enlist which Trump obviously choose not to do.
I think we all need to step back and really see what Trump actually said, I think the OP is claiming something that is not really 100% accurate. BTW, I can't stand Trump, but I don't like accusations that are only partly true or taken out of context.
Nevertheless - the perception and the reception are pretty darned important.
If you gotta explain, you've lost the argument.
I don't really see how Trump is going to get out of this one.
Guys, we're not even a month into your boyfriend's campaign. He is going to say far, far stupider and offensive things. Y'all need need to stand by your man.
he was a POW, I'd debate if he was a war hero, the two arent really the same.
Feel free to read again - and this time, comprehend - what I actually wrote.
Quote:
Though I did not vote for John McCain in 2008 - aside from the fact that I disagree with his policies, I consider that his temperment makes him unfit to serve as President - I do think he was a war hero. His rejection of early release, meant as propaganda because McCain was the son of an admiral, earns him that title.
And I do not hold his 'confession' under duress against him one bit. Every man has his breaking point.
Also, feel free to point out the part of my post which you somehow managed to mistake for me claiming that he was a war hero because he was a POW.
Now, I'm going to elaborate a bit for the sake of those who cannot comprehend the concept of what constitutes heroism.
A hero makes a choice. A hero puts himself in danger when he does not have to do so. A hero makes great sacrifice for others, when he does not have to do so. In the case of John McCain, he made the choice to remain a POW when he did not have to do so. He denied the enemy a propaganda victory, and he stayed and provided the critical nurturing support that all POWs found so vital in captivity. In so doing, he extended his pain and suffering by years.
That is heroic. And that is what makes John McCain a hero.
Hopefully, you're no longer as confused as you were when you tried in vain to understand my previous post, despite the fact that is was simple and straightforward.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
