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Old 07-28-2015, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Rand is a rich kid peddling self-serving policy designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. He can fool the ignorant, rural, geriatric Teabillies. And of course he'll appeal to his fellow rich kids born on third base who think they hit a triple. But there ain't nearly enough of those two groups to elect him.

I mean, I agree with his stance on legalizing pot. But that rules out the American Taliban (Evangelical) bloc that the GOP relies on.

I also agree with Randy's relatively hands-off foreign policy. But that rules out the military-worshiper and defense industry voting bloc that the GOP relies on.

So he ain't gonna be elected. Not a chance.

Besides, the Dems have a real live Social Democrat running. Polls show him beating every single Republican contender, and he's a SOCIALIST. That there is a sign of the times- and I know enough Millennials that I can say with confidence that this isn't a passing fad.

Pitchforks are coming!




I'm still convinced that Trump doesn't believe half of what he's saying these days. He's trolling just like I would... but above and beyond my wildest dreams. The fact that the GOP base is by and large falling for it says far more about THEM than it says about Trump.
Fair enough post. Bolded might be true. I don't think Rand Paul is anywhere close to a tea partier. (although the true tea party movement is not as bad as some people think)

Paul is known as a staunch conservative on fiscal issues, but he is working with the Democrats on criminal sentencing reform. His foreign policy makes total sense. He is the FIRST and ONLY one who said Republican party is responsible for creating Isis (I don't remember the exact words)

The fair tax plan is great if you can cut spending at the same time. He would.

Most people just don't want to give him a chance because they believe he just wants to make the rich people richer. His plan will create millions of new jobs, at the same time, put extra dollars in the working class' pockets.

Plus, eliminate the estate and gift taxes make total sense. My grandparents worked their whole life and left us their money and houses, they've already paid their tax, I don't get why should I be paying the tax (estate tax) Makes no sense to me morally.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Fair enough post. Bolded might be true. I don't think Rand Paul is anywhere close to a tea partier. (although the true tea party movement is not as bad as some people think)
Paul ran as a Tea Partier. He's spoken at numerous Tea Party events. He wrote a book about his participation in the Tea Party.

How can you support him and not be aware of this?


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Paul is known as a staunch conservative on fiscal issues, but he is working with the Democrats on criminal sentencing reform. His foreign policy makes total sense. He is the FIRST and ONLY one who said Republican party is responsible for creating Isis (I don't remember the exact words)

The fair tax plan is great if you can cut spending at the same time. He would.

Most people just don't want to give him a chance because they believe he just wants to make the rich people richer. His plan will create millions of new jobs, at the same time, put extra dollars in the working class' pockets.

Plus, eliminate the estate and gift taxes make total sense. My grandparents worked their whole life and left us their money and houses, they've already paid their tax, I don't get why should I be paying the tax (estate tax) Makes no sense to me morally.
I don't care whether it makes sense to you or not; you're gonna pay up And the majority of 75 MILLION Millennials agree with me on that.

The rich are doing better than ever in this country... and yet guys like Rand Paul continue to tell us that if we just give rich people a little more money, we'll all be better off. Well at this point we've given them pretty much ALL the money. Where's the prosperity?

People are starting to see this. Sure the Tea Partiers (like Rand) never will- they're too consumed with hatred of their fellow man (check out Rand's stance on the Civil Rights Act if you don't believe me- this is why racist southerners support him). But this younger generation has seen the fraud and hypocrisy of our current system... by and large they want no part of it. There's a massive, generational shift to the left afoot. Obama was only the beginning. If you doubt me, take a look at Bernie Sanders... a SOCIALIST who polls better than any Republican running right now.

Pauls policies are exclusively targeted at making the rich richer and the poor poorer. As much flip-flopping as he's done, that's the ONLY thing he really stands for as far as I can tell.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Paul ran as a Tea Partier. He's spoken at numerous Tea Party events. He wrote a book about his participation in the Tea Party.

How can you support him and not be aware of this?

Disagree.

Given Paul's political rise -- he defeated an establishment-aligned Republican in a 2010 primary -- it was natural to label him a tea partier.

But more and more, that label doesn't really fit. While Paul is certainly aligned with the tea party on a lot of stuff, the label doesn't describe him as well as it does someone like Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah).


I don't care whether it makes sense to you or not; you're gonna pay up And the majority of 75 MILLION Millennials agree with me on that.

Besides pay up, what else can i do ? I have been paying up and i am sick and tired of it. but yea, I will pay up.



The rich are doing better than ever in this country... and yet guys like Rand Paul continue to tell us that if we just give rich people a little more money, we'll all be better off. Well at this point we've given them pretty much ALL the money. Where's the prosperity?

He said flat tax rate plus spending, this alone will create millions of new jobs. How come YOUR Millennials don't some research on this? [/color]

Pauls policies are exclusively targeted at making the rich richer and the poor poorer. As much flip-flopping as he's done, that's the ONLY thing he really stands for as far as I can tell.
No, that is NOT making the rich richer, rich is going to be richer ANYWAY.

Here’s why this plan would balance the budget: We asked the experts at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation to estimate what this plan would mean for jobs, and whether we are raising enough money to fund the government. The analysis is positive news: The plan is an economic steroid injection. Because the Fair and Flat Tax rewards work, saving, investment and small business creation, the Tax Foundation estimates that in 10 years it will increase gross domestic product by about 10%, and create at least 1.4 million new jobs.

And because the best way to balance the budget and pay down government debt is to put Americans back to work, my plan would actually reduce the national debt by trillions of dollars over time when combined with my package of spending cuts.


https://randpaul.com/news/rand-pauls-fair-and-flat-tax

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Be open minded.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Gary Johnson
Him and to an extent Jesse Ventura are the only two Libertarian candidates of note so far and neither have fully announced yet.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Him and to an extent Jesse Ventura are the only two Libertarian candidates of note so far and neither have fully announced yet.
He will.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Disagree.

Given Paul's political rise -- he defeated an establishment-aligned Republican in a 2010 primary -- it was natural to label him a tea partier.

But more and more, that label doesn't really fit. While Paul is certainly aligned with the tea party on a lot of stuff, the label doesn't describe him as well as it does someone like Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah).
Sure is strange how a guy who's not a Tea Partier would've:

Written a book about his participation in the Tea Party

Started the Tea Party Caucus

and

Was the spokesman for the Tea Party response to the State of the Union


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No, that is NOT making the rich richer, rich is going to be richer ANYWAY.

Here’s why this plan would balance the budget: We asked the experts at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation to estimate what this plan would mean for jobs, and whether we are raising enough money to fund the government. The analysis is positive news: The plan is an economic steroid injection. Because the Fair and Flat Tax rewards work, saving, investment and small business creation, the Tax Foundation estimates that in 10 years it will increase gross domestic product by about 10%, and create at least 1.4 million new jobs.

And because the best way to balance the budget and pay down government debt is to put Americans back to work, my plan would actually reduce the national debt by trillions of dollars over time when combined with my package of spending cuts.


https://randpaul.com/news/rand-pauls-fair-and-flat-tax

Be open minded.
I've BEEN a Republican.

I've BEEN a Libertarian (still currently registered as one )

So I'm well aware of various flat-tax proposals that have been floated over they years. They're ALL regressive. And they're ALL designed to cut what little social safety net we have remaining.

Such policies appeal to wealthy people who will never need said safety net (and who lack the morals/empathy to understand that people FAR less fortunate WILL need it).

And they appeal to hateful, ignorant Teabillies whose only understanding of economics comes from demagogues like Rush Limbaugh. The kind of people who have no idea how an economy works- they just hate taxes and poor people.

But anyhow... support Tea Partier Randy if you like. He'll never be president... hell Socialist Bernie Sanders has a better chance.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Sure is strange how a guy who's not a Tea Partier would've:

Written a book about his participation in the Tea Party

Started the Tea Party Caucus

and

Was the spokesman for the Tea Party response to the State of the Union




I've BEEN a Republican.

I've BEEN a Libertarian (still currently registered as one )

So I'm well aware of various flat-tax proposals that have been floated over they years. They're ALL regressive. And they're ALL designed to cut what little social safety net we have remaining.

Such policies appeal to wealthy people who will never need said safety net (and who lack the morals/empathy to understand that people FAR less fortunate WILL need it).

And they appeal to hateful, ignorant Teabillies whose only understanding of economics comes from demagogues like Rush Limbaugh. The kind of people who have no idea how an economy works- they just hate taxes and poor people.

But anyhow... support Tea Partier Randy if you like. He'll never be president... hell Socialist Bernie Sanders has a better chance.
well, I've never said I would support him because of this flat tax rate plan alone. I support him because his libertarian leaning views, like marijuana and foreign policy.

I know he is not electable.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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He will.
I don't doubt Johnson. Ventura has flirted with it in the past but never committed to running for whatever reason.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The most libertarian leaning is Trump and that isn't saying much.
Trump libertarian? Huh? The guy who uses gov't to confiscate private property from an owner who does not wish to sell?
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't doubt Johnson. Ventura has flirted with it in the past but never committed to running for whatever reason.
Ventura will lose (some) veterans support. He is too radical for my taste, but I do genuinely respect the guy and I think he is a decent human being.

I voted Johnson once.. I liked him, but I don't think most people are ready for a true Libertarian. Plus, who is true Libertarian anyway? There are left and right Libertarians out there.
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