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Old 08-01-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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....and his honesty.
multiple birther claims, his lying about attendance at his AZ rally and possibly distorting the numbers on his financial disclosure ( according to forbes and bloomberg ) contradict the claim that he's honest.
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Old 08-02-2015, 03:36 AM
 
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Good article - this confirms what I've suspected. Trump really does think he can win this. After watching the 2012 primary disasters, he realized the GOP has sunk to his level of clownish demagoguery. Herman F'n Cain was actually a frontrunner for awhile. If 9-9-9 could bedazzle these idiots, surely he could rule the Big Top. I love it. The lunatics, aka so-called "conservatives", have helped so-called RINOs (the more appropriate term is "Republicans") win elections since 1980.

But deep down, they can tell real Republicans aren't really totally bat•••• crazy. Sure, Bush was as moronic as any of their drinking buddies (real or imagined) but his f'ups seemed more accidental than intentional. Sure, he started an unnecessary war and wrecked the economy, but why didn't he deport the Mexicans, outlaw homosexuality, wage war on the Muslim religion? Why were there still federal taxes? Why hadn't he eliminated three government departments? (Which three doesn't matter - just ask Perry.) After nearly 30 years of supporting the Republicans without the apocalyptic results they were looking for, they declared a teajad. If you weren't a raving mad imbecile, watch out!

Enter Trump. He knows a mob when he sees one. He knows he can control it. He's been doing his will-he-or-won't-he run routine for decades, but he never followed through because he hates to lose. As he said in this article, "2012 was different though." He saw he really could have won. Trump has appraised the Republican Party and has realized it can be had for a song.

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Old 08-02-2015, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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One simple question, if Trump is a clown, and EVERYBODY who supports him is "crazy", and nobody can stop him and his supporters, what does this prove? This only proves NOBODY ELSE deserves to win, nothing else.

Rand Paul said, "They're hungry for someone who will tell the truth, who will say Washington is broken and that we really have to start over ... wash out the place," . "But the thing is, we also have to have a serious discussion of how we're going to do it."
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Old 08-02-2015, 04:11 AM
 
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One simple question, if Trump is a clown, and EVERYBODY who supports him is "crazy", and nobody can stop him and his supporters, what does this prove? This only proves NOBODY ELSE deserves to win, nothing else.

Rand Paul said, "They're hungry for someone who will tell the truth, who will say Washington is broken and that we really have to start over ... wash out the place," . "But the thing is, we also have to have a serious discussion of how we're going to do it."
Trump doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning the general election, but the fact that he's doing so well amongst Republican voters speaks volumes ... about them.
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Old 08-02-2015, 04:19 AM
 
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Trump doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning the general election, but the fact that he's doing so well amongst Republican voters speaks volumes ... about them.
Well, Trump's rise is not expected to last. I think I can buy that. I would even say that the recent bump may reflect the entrepreneur's high name ID more than it shows genuine voter support. If he cannot expand his base, though, he's expected to fizzle out fast.

I think most people are smart enough to wait until the debate to make the final decision. At one point, the personal attacks from both sides need to stop.
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Old 08-02-2015, 04:55 AM
 
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Well, Trump's rise is not expected to last. I think I can buy that. I would even say that the recent bump may reflect the entrepreneur's high name ID more than it shows genuine voter support. If he cannot expand his base, though, he's expected to fizzle out fast.

I think most people are smart enough to wait until the debate to make the final decision. At one point, the personal attacks from both sides need to stop.
Even if Trump does fizzle or flame out, he's a symptom not the disease. This is a party of clowns. (Cain, Palin, Perry, Gingrich et al)
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Old 08-02-2015, 04:58 AM
 
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Even if Trump does fizzle or flame out, he's a symptom not the disease. This is a party of clowns. (Cain, Palin, Perry, Gingrich et al)
Well, these are the republican party principles


A Belief in Smaller Government: To preserve the sanctity of liberty of the individual, it is our belief that government must necessarily be limited. Otherwise, the paternalism of the few would restrict the freedom of the many to decide what is best for themselves.

Support of the Federalist System of Government: To bring power closer to the people, it is imperative we restrict the growth of a centralized federal government....States ought to have the power to determine which programs and measures would be most appropriate and fitting for them.

Fiscal Conservatism: In keeping with our desires for the greatest individual liberty, we support policies of limited taxation and government spending.

Strong National Defense: We believe the best way to preserve the peace and protect our national interests abroad comes through a strong national defense.

Individual Liberties and Responsibilities: Along with individual liberties come individual responsibilities and duties. Government must act to preserve freedom, while individuals must exercise their responsibilities to preserve order.

Tolerance, Inclusiveness, and Optimism: We believe in the right of fellow Republicans to disagree on certain matters of principle and policy. We believe in being an open and inclusive party respectful of different points of view. We are indeed a "big-tent" party that offers no "litmus tests" or barriers to entry.

WSUCR: Basic Republican Principles

To conserve is to save, nothing wrong with it. There are clowns in both parties.
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Old 08-02-2015, 05:50 AM
 
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Well, these are the republican party principles

Tolerance, Inclusiveness, and Optimism: We believe in the right of fellow Republicans to disagree on certain matters of principle and policy. We believe in being an open and inclusive party respectful of different points of view. We are indeed a "big-tent" party that offers no "litmus tests" or barriers to entry.
I was shocked to read the caption above, but then realized that the paragraph is talking about other viewpoints in the party. Not about minorities, women, gays, the poor. . . The Republican Party is not a big tent party for those folks. But that's okay.

Mick
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Old 08-02-2015, 06:02 AM
 
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One simple question, if Trump is a clown, and EVERYBODY who supports him is "crazy", and nobody can stop him and his supporters, what does this prove? This only proves NOBODY ELSE deserves to win, nothing else.
Since you asked, Mr. Trump is very successfully consolidating the so-called lunatic vote behind him. He is getting 36% of the Tea Party vote, as compared to second place Walker who gets only 13%. Remember, Mr. Trump only gets 20% of the overall support.

For other segments of the party, the support is being scattered among 17(?) candidates. As candidates start to drop out, and we know they will, there will be more and more consolidation of support behind few candidates.

Mick
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Old 08-02-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game.

Donald Trump

Keep score of what?

IF he means one's worth as a human being there's an awful lot of thieves, drug dealers, dictators, et al that score pretty high, eh?


Personally, I believe money's only a tool and like all tools can be used to accomplish things or to thoroughly muck things up, it all depends on the user.
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