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Old 08-17-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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A sign of the level of ignorance of the electorate. That is how Obama got elected ... twice! In many ways, Sanders would be much worse than Obama. Hillary is an Obama third term.
Or, it could be a sign that voters are becoming better informed and made intelligent choices - twice. Obviously President Obama didn't do anything to scare them off or make them repent of their first votes for him.

Hillary, BTW, would be more like a third term for W. Her record can be much more closely connected with his ideas than those of Obama.
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Old 08-17-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Hillary, BTW, would be more like a third term for W. Her record can be much more closely connected with his ideas than those of Obama.
This is exactly the strategy her opponent(s) in the general election will use against her and most likely to great effect too. The same approach devastated the DNC in the US Senate in 2014 where every incumbent DNC Senator who lost, lost because they made issue with he/she voting with Obama 95% of the time.

The people don't want an Obama 3rd term. They didn't even want him for a 2nd term but the GOP selected a "safe" establishment candidate and it came back to bite them. It didn't help that he was also clueless about running a national election campaign. They should take lesson from that. The DNC should take lesson from it too because.....

King Hilliary nomination = Establishment candidate = Obama 3rd Term = DNC Loss in 2016
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Old 08-17-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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I hope that Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nod, because I'm pretty sure that he'd be easier to beat than Clinton. Hillary has the whole first woman president thing going for her. Sanders would be.....well, the first woman president too, I suppose.
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Old 08-17-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Unless, of course, you recall all the predictions from eight years ago. "President Sanders" has a nice ring to it. Feel The Bern!

Why Obama will never, ever be elected president
No, his complete lack of charisma dooms his chances. Same goes for Jeb Bush, although I expect him to have heavy backing from the media. Carson, Walker and Hillary also lack charisma. And Lindsey Graham of course. Lately Lindsay has been so nervous, he talks like a robot. Why is he in the race if it makes him so uncomfortable?
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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No, his complete lack of charisma dooms his chances. Same goes for Jeb Bush, although I expect him to have heavy backing from the media. Carson, Walker and Hillary also lack charisma. And Lindsey Graham of course. Lately Lindsay has been so nervous, he talks like a robot. Why is he in the race if it makes him so uncomfortable?
He smelled money.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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"President Sanders" has a nice ring to it. Feel The Bern!

HilLIARy maybe, but the GOP will crush him and his open stance on a Communism type of Socialism.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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HilLIARy maybe, but the GOP will crush him and his open stance on a Communism type of Socialism.
Democratic Socialism is not East European Socialism. Google it.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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Democratic Socialism is not East European Socialism. Google it.

It stems from the teachings of Marx....
Google it.

The masks came off in the last 8 years, to reveal the Communist Progressives, that altered their appearance and hid after WW-II.

The Constitution stood in their way at the turn of the last century into the 1900's and it has been standing in their way again today.
Both times they manufactured away around the Constitution and placed men (now women) on the Supreme Court, to declare it constitutional.

Our rights do not come from a man(now a woman) in a black robe.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Clinton's campaign will come to an end, much sooner than we think, as Trump said last week. Over the next week or so, the Clinton email scandal will unravel and make things even worse for Clinton.

She's done.

Bernie will be the nominee. I'm here in central Ohio and see Bernie bumper stickers every DAY.

Back in 2008, Obama was considered a socialist, left wing candidate. He was openly talking about things like universal healthcare, nationalized banks, "spreading the wealth," and "you didn't build that." Yet he STILL WON.
I don't see the Sanders bumper stickers in right-wing Arizona but he still got 3-times the attendance Trump did for his Phoenix, AZ rally. And the Donald claims he had the same despite forgetting about fire codes.

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Didn't you conservatives predict Hillary's downfall after Benghazi, too? I seem to recall a lot of conservative lawmakers, media personalities and posters running around swearing up and down that she's done. Maybe I was just dreaming up the 8 or 9 Benghazi investigations - what's that saying, "if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try again."

Mick
Well the e-mail issue shows a susceptibility to leak national secrets. Think about it this way, what if she had an Apple iCloud account that had her e-mails and the Apple issue from 2014 happened in 2012 and her account was one of the ones leaked along with the fappening. That would be a BIG PROBLEM.

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I hope that Bernie Sanders wins the Democrat nod, because I'm pretty sure that he'd be easier to beat than Clinton. Hillary has the whole first woman president thing going for her. Sanders would be.....well, the first woman president too, I suppose.
Sanders could very well win, especially if Trump has the Ron Paul followers who decided not to vote OR Trump runs third party. Unless there is a true economic crisis in the next 14 months, a democrat will win the White House and I think Sanders has a great shot at it with Clinton getting beaten up over a lot of issues from her past that she thought could just go away.

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It stems from the teachings of Marx....
Google it.

The masks came off in the last 8 years, to reveal the Communist Progressives, that altered their appearance and hid after WW-II.

The Constitution stood in their way at the turn of the last century into the 1900's and it has been standing in their way again today.
Both times they manufactured away around the Constitution and placed men (now women) on the Supreme Court, to declare it constitutional.

Our rights do not come from a man(now a woman) in a black robe.
ANY form of Socialism and Communism comes from the writings of Marx but also adds democracy rather than Lenninism which is what everyone associates Socialism and Communism to be.

Our rights are given in the constitution and clarified by those in the black robes. Think of it this way, without them clarifying what the 14th amendment is and who it protects and how, we wouldn't have gay marriages, the woman's right to chose, interracial marriage, black voting rights OR desegregation. FYI, all of those are rights granted in the Constitution that was perverted by men like you who hate giving rights.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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ANY form of Socialism and Communism comes from the writings of Marx but also adds democracy rather than Lenninism which is what everyone associates Socialism and Communism to be.

Our rights are given in the constitution and clarified by those in the black robes. Think of it this way, without them clarifying what the 14th amendment is and who it protects and how, we wouldn't have gay marriages, the woman's right to chose, interracial marriage, black voting rights OR desegregation. FYI, all of those are rights granted in the Constitution that was perverted by men like you who hate giving rights.
You beat me to it. Thanks.

Scandinavia operates under the banner of Democratic Socialism, and the standard of living there is among the highest in the world. They also provide free education for students from other countries as well as their own. It is a quite workable system, regardless of what anyone may think.
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