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Old 01-28-2008, 09:11 PM
 
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Of course Obama wants driver's licenses for illegals, so does Hillary despite what was said in debates. I imagine Edwards may too. They want the pro illegal vote you know and that includes many, but not all illegal Hispanics.
They, Bush, McCain, Guilinia some...are traitors, drivers licenses are one step to becoming citizens, and most of us citizens want most of the illegals to return to their own country in order FOR US CITIZENS TO GET 'SOME' OF OUR LIVES BACK FINANCIALLY, MEDICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY, SOCIAL SERVICES, AND THE CRIMINALITY-GONE. EXPERTS SAY OUR ECONOMIC PROBLEMS ARE TIGHTLY ENTERTWINED WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. THIS IS THE TRUTH. AMERICANS HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE, IF YOU ARE NOT IN CA OR OTHER BORDER STATES I PROMISE YOU WILL TOO FEEL THE EXTENT OF MISERY WE ARE IN IN CA SOONER THAN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE MUST VOTE IN A CANDIDATE TO RETURN ILLEGALS BY ATTRITION AND DEPORTATION. Deportation is working great now here in CA by ICE and it will be part of what works when laws on books are enforced! Please help give us our country back by voting in the real illegal immigration candidate!
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:11 AM
 
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Personally, I would much rather be on the road (and possibly struck by) someone who has passed a driver's test than someone who has not. Also, if you have passed a driver's test and have a license, one is able to procure liability insurance, another benefit for the folks around you who you may run into.

In voting, all you have to do is show some ID. Then the poll people check that ID against the list of registered voters. A driver's license is not eligibility to vote (as many resident aliens in the US have driver's licenses). Getting a license does not automatically put you in the voting booth.

As to anything related to undocumented workers -- follow the money! Who gains financially from the status quo? Its not the unions or poor folks, I bet.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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just another big reason not to vote for Obama,face the facts he has absolutely no idea what the hell he is doing.
Obama isn't the one who stood idly by in the Oval Office and watched the phenomenon of illegal immigration take shape. He's not the one who looked the other way while our cherished business industry addicted itself to the profits of illegal labor. So I suppose the past presidents who gave amnesty in the '80s, and then watched the cycle repeat itself throughout the '90s and into the 2000's, did know what the heck they were doing?

Obama--and many others--are just being pragmatic. They know that these invited workers are going to remain here (because our economy requires it) and will be driving one way or another. At least get them tested and licensed and insured.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I suspect democrats would love to give driver licenses to illegal immigrants to increase their voting base. A lot of places require only a driver's license to vote. This is a big shame and setting up a pseudo-Amnesty program by Obama. Shame on Clinton and Obama for their contentious actions, but then again I guess I can that those who support Democrats would like to increase the number of voters and would like Amnesty (even if it is pseudo-type) to the illegal immigrants.
There are LOTS of illegals in my city. Thousands. If they all had driver's licenses, none of them could vote. The driver's license is simply used to confirm identity against the list of registered voters when you go to the polls. If you aren't registered, you don't vote. To register, you have to fill out paperwork and have your identity confirmed well in advance of any election you'd be eligible to vote in.

Besides, illegals AVOID contact with the "gringo government." They're VERY unlikely to try to register in the first place. That leads to a greater chance of being identified and then deported.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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There are LOTS of illegals in my city. Thousands. If they all had driver's licenses, none of them could vote. The driver's license is simply used to confirm identity against the list of registered voters when you go to the polls. If you aren't registered, you don't vote. To register, you have to fill out paperwork and have your identity confirmed well in advance of any election you'd be eligible to vote in.

Besides, illegals AVOID contact with the "gringo government." They're VERY unlikely to try to register in the first place. That leads to a greater chance of being identified and then deported.
Exactly. Some of you people have your illegal immigrant outrage alarm tuned so sensitively that you're ready to explode before you even bother actually understanding basic issues, such as the voting process.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Obama isn't the one who stood idly by in the Oval Office and watched the phenomenon of illegal immigration take shape. He's not the one who looked the other way while our cherished business industry addicted itself to the profits of illegal labor. So I suppose the past presidents who gave amnesty in the '80s, and then watched the cycle repeat itself throughout the '90s and into the 2000's, did know what the heck they were doing?

Obama--and many others--are just being pragmatic. They know that these invited workers are going to remain here (because our economy requires it) and will be driving one way or another. At least get them tested and licensed and insured.
You've identified the problem and its motivation very accurately.

Businesses want this submimimum wage underclass here in the USA to keep pressure on the rest of the American workforce.

If the Feds decided to suddenly enforce the laws already on the books and very publicly go after the large-scale employers of illegals, the problem would disappear very quickly. If a couple of high profile CEOs were given 2 year jail sentences and heavy fines, then illegals would find it impossilbe to get employment here and the problem would solve itself.

Can everyone see exactly why this will never happen?
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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Obama--and many others--are just being pragmatic. They know that these invited workers are going to remain here (because our economy requires it) and will be driving one way or another. At least get them tested and licensed and insured.
Ah yes, like the many "pragmatic" approaches to the issue of slavery back at the nation's inception and periods leading up to the Civil War.

Our economy, of course, "required" it.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Of course Obama wants driver's licenses for illegals, so does Hillary despite what was said in debates. I imagine Edwards may too. They want the pro illegal vote you know and that includes many, but not all illegal Hispanics.
They, Bush, McCain, Guilinia some...are traitors, drivers licenses are one step to becoming citizens, and most of us citizens want most of the illegals to return to their own country in order FOR US CITIZENS TO GET 'SOME' OF OUR LIVES BACK FINANCIALLY, MEDICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY, SOCIAL SERVICES, AND THE CRIMINALITY-GONE. EXPERTS SAY OUR ECONOMIC PROBLEMS ARE TIGHTLY ENTERTWINED WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. THIS IS THE TRUTH. AMERICANS HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE, IF YOU ARE NOT IN CA OR OTHER BORDER STATES I PROMISE YOU WILL TOO FEEL THE EXTENT OF MISERY WE ARE IN IN CA SOONER THAN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE MUST VOTE IN A CANDIDATE TO RETURN ILLEGALS BY ATTRITION AND DEPORTATION. Deportation is working great now here in CA by ICE and it will be part of what works when laws on books are enforced! Please help give us our country back by voting in the real illegal immigration candidate!

Exactly WHY do you suppose the illegal immigration problem has grown so drastically under the Republican administration?

Could it be that certain wealthy US employers want large numbers of illegals here to exploit as cheap labor? After all, they're not going to complain the OSHA if the working conditions are unsafe. They're not going to go to the Dept of Labor if they get shorted on overtime. They're not going to strike for better insurance coverage.

And yet, that same Republican party that supports the illegal migration in the first place certainly likes to use that illegal immigration to distract the public from other issues.

It's true that this problem is VERY detrimental to the American middle class. But it's very favorable to the wealthy. And who does Bush cater to?
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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Ah yes, like the many "pragmatic" approaches to the issue of slavery back at the nation's inception and periods leading up to the Civil War.

Our economy, of course, "required" it.
Comparing apples and oranges aren't you? How is giving legal status or driving priviledges to illegal immigrants comparable to slavery?
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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They all come up here to the land of milk and honey so they can sit by the pool, suck down some tequila and lime, and just get up when they need to pick up a welfare check or get a free hosital check up.

ROFL.
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