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Old 09-25-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: southern california
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you do not understand socialism. the $15 an hour is salary paid with other people's money not his.
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Old 09-25-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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you do not understand socialism. the $15 an hour is salary paid with other people's money not his.
That is what a pay check is, those salaries that are paid are in trade for one's hours they have worked for someone else. It isn't free money.
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Old 09-25-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Minimum wage increases up to $15 wouldn't happen overnight, it would be through a serious of raises if it were to ever happen. Heck, even raising minimum wage to $12 would be better than the current federal minimum wage.
All the places that has implemented the $15 minimum wage has implemented it in a few years. I don't expect nationwide to be any different if the crazy leftists get the power.

To increase it really slowly, is not a proper increase. Because when the minimum wage is $15, it is actually worth $12 due to inflation.
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Old 09-25-2015, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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All the places that has implemented the $15 minimum wage has implemented it in a few years. I don't expect nationwide to be any different if the crazy leftists get the power.

To increase it really slowly, is not a proper increase. Because when the minimum wage is $15, it is actually worth $12 due to inflation.
Depends on the rate of inflation compared to the percentage the minimum wage is increased each year. Even still, $12 is much better than $7.50.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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Potentially, but then again we already knew that. Though at the same time we already knew why increases like this happen in stages to prevent things like this from happening.
Those things happen, thank you for the honesty in recognizing that. Very unusual for you.
it's done in stages so it's not obvious.
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Old 09-25-2015, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those things happen, thank you for the honesty in recognizing that. Very unusual for you.
it's done in stages so it's not obvious.
Which is why we obviously have rampant unemployment today. You do realize you can't actually prove that raising the minimum wage causes any of those things.....unless you do it unrealistically like all at once. Obviously, right wingers (well not all right wingers) know this, and that is why you use this strawman argument to try to fight against minimum wage.

By your logic, if there was no minimum wage, employment would be 100% because businesses could then truly employ slave labor by paying workers nothing for their time and energy.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:13 AM
 
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9% is about half what the US pay right now.

If you have a spouse and kids, your employer is paying $17,000/year (national average) for your families health insurance, PLUS whatever you are paying toward insurance, PLUS any uninsured expenses.

9% is a bargain!

First, that money is paid NO MATTER WHAT. There was a Frenchmen posting here not too long ago saying that he was taxed for healthcare that he never used for two years. Is there an option in the plan Mr. B.S. has that will allow for people to say "I opt out, if I get sick or injured, let me deal with it on my own"? Probably not.

I've been taxed about a hundred thousand dollars in SS in my lifetime, and I have always wanted to die before the age of 70. Why do I have to pay for something I will use for maybe five years?

And as for healthcare costs: https://mises.org/blog/how-governmen...e-so-expensive

What the government controls eventually becomes more expensive. Know what is hardly regulated? Cell phones. Notice how the price of cell phones has fallen over the past twenty years from being something for only businessmen to being something that even homeless people can buy (prepaid)? That is the "evvvvvvilllllll" free-market Bernie Stalin and his idiot sheep would like to see destroyed.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:18 AM
 
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Bernie Sanders, I don't think it will matter in the end what he wants. He can't beat a GOP candidate even if he gets the nomination.

I agree. I am a certified Trump hater...and if it was between Bernie and Trump, I would volunteer for the Trump campaign. At least Trump would attract the right people to his cabinet, while Bernie would call anyone who won't be his yes man a "capitalist pig" and ignore them.

He is the one man who could unite the GOP around ANY candidate. You would see Lindsey Graham stump for Rand Paul if it was between him and Bernie.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:23 AM
 
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That would be two completely different things. Getting an abortion while saying abortion should be illegal is hypocrisy. Saying minimum wage should be raised to $15 while paying $12 is not hypocrisy, now if the interns were not being paid or below the current minimum wage, then you could claim hypocrisy.

But I am sure you are happy to run with this nonsense.




Yes, IT IS HYPOCRISY!

Ben Carson wants to make abortion illegal IN THE US, he NEVER mentioned that he would want it banned in other countries. So if he took his wife to get one in Canada, would he be a hypocrite?

Sanders wants to Minimum Wage to be $15 and hour...and he pays his people less. It doesn't matter that they are interns. He makes NO EXCEPTION for interns in his proposal. So he is indeed a hypocrite.

I could never understand following a candidate blindly. I love Ron Paul, but even I roll my eyes when he goes on about the Gold Standard.
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Old 09-26-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes, IT IS HYPOCRISY!


Sanders wants to Minimum Wage to be $15 and hour...and he pays his people less. It doesn't matter that they are interns. He makes NO EXCEPTION for interns in his proposal. So he is indeed a hypocrite.

I could never understand following a candidate blindly. I love Ron Paul, but even I roll my eyes when he goes on about the Gold Standard.
Well to you that is hypocrisy clearly, to most people in the real world, that is not. This isn't about following candidates blindly, this is about listening to what they say and do. Sanders has a strong track record that stands out.
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