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Old 10-08-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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As someone who kind of supports Trump, (meaning I will vote for him, and hope his past successes and accomplishments hold well in the Oval office), there is one issue I cant get passed. Clearly its not enough to keep me from voting for him, but thats due to a lack of other options.

That one issue is.

Over promises to the point that you set the goal far too high, so no matter whats done, it could be rated a failure.

Look at ACA, which was promised to cut the deficit, premiums, increase benefits, and insuring everyone. Nope.. there are a few minor benefits to the law, but the lack of results, will always be outweighed by the promises that were made that are total failures.

The economy has hardly budged since Obama was sworn in, the only difference is the economy is no longer collapsing, but policies were set in stone prior to Obama being sworn in which caused that, even though Obama will always get the credit.

Just like any improvement which would take place during a Trump Presidency, would come as the very same policies, and things like economic cycles.

My concern would be that Trump, who brags all the time non stop, could over promise to the point that nothing he does, could be construed as a success, even if they are improvements.
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Of course he over promises. Military spending, healthcare, VA Administration, jobs galore, tax cuts for a significant percentage of our population, corporate tax cuts and incentives massive deportations...all on the backs of hedge fund managers? Then it's the promise that Mexico will pay for the huge wall.

All you can do is shake your head at Pied Piper Trump and the American voter rats following behind him......

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Old 10-08-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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Of course he over promises. Military spending, healthcare, VA Administration, jobs galore, tax cuts for a significant percentage of our population, corporate tax cuts and incentives massive deportations...all on the backs of hedge fund managers? Then it's the promise that Mexico will pay for the huge wall.

All you can do is shake your head at Pied Piper Trump and the American voter rats following behind him......
Just like Obama did.. right?
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Just like Obama did.. right?
That's why I'm in disbelief. American voters really deserve this guy because they never learn from their mistakes.
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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That's why I'm in disbelief. American voters really deserve this guy because they never learn from their mistakes.
The difference is Trump has a successful past that many hope can be taken into the White House. Things like cutting costs, balancing the budgets etc.

Obama. voted Present..
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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So you've fallen for the promises have you, no matter how unfeasible they seem?
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Of course he over promises. Military spending, healthcare, VA Administration, jobs galore, tax cuts for a significant percentage of our population, corporate tax cuts and incentives massive deportations...all on the backs of hedge fund managers? Then it's the promise that Mexico will pay for the huge wall.

All you can do is shake your head at Pied Piper Trump and the American voter rats following behind him......
Writing checks that your *** can't cash is why the Republican base and the Tea contingent are upset with the establishment GOP. Of course the base and the TP folks aren't realists either.

Some of the broken and unrealistic promises or talking points included:
  • Repealing Obamacare
  • Opposing Marriage Equality

It wasn't due to a lack of effort. McConnell and Boehner definitely did everything they could to obstruct Obama at every turn. What distinguishes these guys from the "true believers" is that they're realists about politics (you can't get everything you want, and the Executive has veto power over legislation.

Now in the highly unlikely scenario that Trump actually can get elected - he's in for a rude surprise, or more likely, his supporters are. How's he gonna get stuff through Congress? You think his scattershot gratuitous Twitter insults are gonna impress folks like McConnell?
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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So you've fallen for the promises have you, no matter how unfeasible they seem?
By definition you have to go by their promises. They are not president yet. For the record, Obama never promised ACA because he knew if he had he would not be elected. 85% of people had and were satisfied with their insurance. Instead, he deceived people into thinking he is going to reduce the cost of healthcare. Remember, “bending the cost curve?” Trump himself can’t guarantee anything because he doesn’t know. Nobody knows. But at least he has the credibility to give it a try. He says he can bring the jobs back from overseas. There is a LOT he can do. Why can’t WE have $400 billion positive trade imbalance with China? What if he brings back just $200 billion. How many jobs is that?
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The difference is Trump has a successful past that many hope can be taken into the White House. Things like cutting costs, balancing the budgets etc.

Obama. voted Present..
We won't talk about Trump's multiple corporate bankruptcies that left his creditors with cents on the $. Those creditors included big banks and small businesses. The big banks write off bad loans and life goes on. A small business is more likely to fail if a major customer does not pay them.


We won't talk about the Trump family of clothing, shoes, bags and jewelry all made elsewhere.

We won't talk about the two- way street of tariffs and the impact on exports.

We won't talk about how Mexico has more free- trade agreements with the rest of the world which is a major attraction for European and US auto manufacturers, well beyond lower wages.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So you've fallen for the promises have you, no matter how unfeasible they seem?
All primary and nominee candidates seek to create the perception that they can wave a magic wand and make it all better p, never mind Congress. They all over promise. Those who get elected never live up to all the campaign promises they made.

Despite this, the masses forget and jump on the wagon of the next guy who promises more, more, more.
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