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Old 10-10-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Seniors vote Republican. The guys they vote for openly tell them they want to reduce entitlements. They vote for that so what is the problem?
How are you defining seniors?

Many, MANY Seniors age 50-65 vote DEMOCRAT and have all their lives. They have worked all their lives as well - paying into SS and Medicare and haven't yet taken one dime.

Seniors age 80-90, I will agree many are (were) Republican.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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what is it with the GOP candidates and foot in mouth disease? <--- they need some of this

John Kasich tells audience member they'd 'get over' his Social Security plan - CNNPolitics.com

"who's doing the raping?"
"stuff happens"
now
"get over it"

As a not to far from being senior, I'm all for a means tested plan to reduce the Social Security entitlement provided there's also a tax deduction if you don't receive the SS benefit that you were promised. For example, if I'm due $1000/month SS benefit and the gov't decides that I'm too wealthy to receive it, at least allow me to deduct $12,000/yr in my annual gross income for tax purposes so I get some kind of benefit. Wealthy people don't need SS. I'm fortunate that I don't need it and I'm willing to go without it but give me the tax credit at least.


Of course this type of proposal is career suicide for any elected US gov't official........
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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How are you defining seniors?

Many, MANY Seniors age 50-65 vote DEMOCRAT and have all their lives. They have worked all their lives as well - paying into SS and Medicare and haven't yet taken one dime.

Seniors age 80-90, I will agree many are (were) Republican.
I notice you ignore the ones aged 65-80. They are largely Republican. They made it across the line and as long as they have theirs, they don't care. So if they get voucherized, de-Medicaided, a little Social Security shaved off the top, they should accept that that is the result of their vote. I've seen thousands of posts over the years demonizing every demographic but if someone proposes cuts to Social Security or Medicare or highlights the 4.6 million seniors who or using all the Medicaid, they don't like that at all.

They claim they paid for it but they didn't. Medicare Part D was not funded. Medicaid, which is paying for millions of senior's Medicare was not paid by them. Senior care facilities are largely paid for by Medicaid and the tendency to transfer assets to other members of the family so the government has to pay for it is so common they are having to enact laws, which are apparently still avoidable. No one seems to want to admit any of that.
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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As a not to far from being senior, I'm all for a means tested plan to reduce the Social Security entitlement provided there's also a tax deduction if you don't receive the SS benefit that you were promised. For example, if I'm due $1000/month SS benefit and the gov't decides that I'm too wealthy to receive it, at least allow me to deduct $12,000/yr in my annual gross income for tax purposes so I get some kind of benefit. Wealthy people don't need SS. I'm fortunate that I don't need it and I'm willing to go without it but give me the tax credit at least.

Of course this type of proposal is career suicide for any elected US gov't official........
I think that is completely reasonable.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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what is it with the GOP candidates and foot in mouth disease?
"stuff happens"
Seriously, take the stuff happens out of context and it sounds callous, but in context, Jeb makes a lot of sense. Knee jerk legislation in response to every single crisis that hits our country makes for an over reaching Federal Gov't.

Many Americans like myself are for a small, less intrusive government. Not a government involved in every single aspect of our lives.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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That is better than I can say for any Democrat running.
Republicans would be better off selecting someone more palatable from both sides of the aisle (Rep, Dem) rather than someone with such huge unfavorables as Trump, imo. I'm an independent and open to either party - give me someone like Kasich, Christie, Bush and most likely you'll get my vote as an (I). You put Trump out there, I'm outahere - doubt if I'm alone.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: OC/LA
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As a not to far from being senior, I'm all for a means tested plan to reduce the Social Security entitlement provided there's also a tax deduction if you don't receive the SS benefit that you were promised. For example, if I'm due $1000/month SS benefit and the gov't decides that I'm too wealthy to receive it, at least allow me to deduct $12,000/yr in my annual gross income for tax purposes so I get some kind of benefit. Wealthy people don't need SS. I'm fortunate that I don't need it and I'm willing to go without it but give me the tax credit at least.


Of course this type of proposal is career suicide for any elected US gov't official........
That seems like a good compromise to me.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Don't worry guys, Kasich has a very high approval rating in Ohio. Putting him on a ticket would ensure an electoral win in Ohio.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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This is why I like John Kasich, he is telling people what they NEED to hear instead of what they want to hear. He is a true leader. He's a straight talker.

Fact is, the current SS setup is not sustainable. We cannot have people drawing benefits for 20+ years in a system that was only designed for people to draw benefits for about 5 years.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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I'd be Ok with changing the SS bennie rules IF the people affected have a 10 year "window" to take care of business. Like if a person can retire at 66, those of us 57 or older need to be left alone. But the 66 and younger people WILL have to make the changes needed in their lives so they'd be ready. I'm 50 so I'm 1 of those dudes who WILL have to make the changes in my life.
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