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Old 10-16-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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I'll be voting for Clinton as well after the debate. I liked how Clinton believes in Capitalism, where as Sanders doesn't. I also like how Clinton didn't cave into BLM. I loved Bill, so how bad can she be.

Trump would be the only person who might change my mind, otherwise 100% Clinton.
I completely agree with this.
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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So basically you are voting for Hillary because you don't like the fact that Bernie sounds and acts like an old Jew?
Well, yes quite frankly! Sorry, but he's just not presidential. He comes off as a rambling, temperamental curmudgeon.

I was a tepid Hilary supporter before, but the debate made me more solid, if not quite enthusiastic. She's intelligent, knowledgeable, poised, and knows the game of politics better than anyone else running right now.

I'd feel OK voting for any Dem except Chafee - that dude is one of the strangest people I've ever seen.
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well, yes quite frankly! Sorry, but he's just not presidential. He comes off as a rambling, temperamental curmudgeon.

I was a tepid Hilary supporter before, but the debate made me more solid, if not quite enthusiastic. She's intelligent, knowledgeable, poised, and knows the game of politics better than anyone else running right now.

I'd feel OK voting for any Dem except Chafee - that dude is one of the strangest people I've ever seen.
Yeah, I agree, Chafee came off as being confused why he even decided to run to begin with.
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Poll: Hillary Clinton even with Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire after debate - CNNPolitics.com
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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I'll be voting for Clinton as well after the debate. I liked how Clinton believes in Capitalism, where as Sanders doesn't. I also like how Clinton didn't cave into BLM.
I think you have misunderstood. Sanders supports the free market economy with regulation, he does not support corporatist crony capitalism that works for the few. Denmark, which he in many ways sees as a model, was just recently named by the Heritage foundation and Forbes as the best country in the world to do business. It's precisely the small businesses that has been the backbone of his business support in Vermont for decades. The big corporations are fully behind Clinton.
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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How can anyone support a candidate who can't be trusted with classified documents? Who is the real Hillary? The southern Hillary, the shrill Hillary, the angry Hillary, the pantsuit Hillary, the scarily laughing Hillary? She seems to change her personality and standing based upon current needs/audience. Candidates who are elected to the office of President don't change their personality regularly during the campaign. They also project a likable personality and leadership qualities. I don't see this from Hillary. She seems "standoffish", aloof, elitist, angry, bitter. When I imagine her as President, I see a tyrant firing anyone she doesn't like or who doesn't automatically agree with everything she says and replaced with campaign donors and blind loyalist. A president shouldn't be afraid to have people who aren't willing to speak the truth to power. A president needs to get honest input from all his secretaries and advisors and make a decision based upon such advice.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think you have misunderstood. Sanders supports the free market economy with regulation, he does not support corporatist crony capitalism that works for the few. Denmark, which he in many ways sees as a model, was just recently named by the Heritage foundation and Forbes as the best country in the world to do business. It's precisely the small businesses that has been the backbone of his business support in Vermont for decades. The big corporations are fully behind Clinton.
It is amazing how many people are against Sanders for this reason just because they have been spoon fed by crony capitalism for so long that they think anything different must be socialism and therefore bad.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:28 AM
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I think you have misunderstood. Sanders supports the free market economy with regulation, he does not support corporatist crony capitalism that works for the few. Denmark, which he in many ways sees as a model, was just recently named by the Heritage foundation and Forbes as the best country in the world to do business. It's precisely the small businesses that has been the backbone of his business support in Vermont for decades. The big corporations are fully behind Clinton.
Bingo.

He does need to do a better job of making this clear though. I thought he did a decent job making his views clear in the debate, but apparently some people shut off their brains for a couple minutes and heard that he wants to end the free market and kill entrepreneurship.

Clinton did a decent job in the debate, but Bernie's still got my vote and my campaign donations. He's not the most polished guy out there, but he actually believes in what he says. Clinton will say whatever the crowd wants to hear. She's Romney with a (D) next to her name.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc are, as Anderson Cooper pointed out, countries with much smaller populations than ours, so they have less opposition and it's possible for them to do all those things. We are a superpower with the third-biggest population on Earth. We cannot achieve exactly what Sanders wants us to; plus, there are far many people in this country who are opposed to socialism.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc are, as Anderson Cooper pointed out, countries with much smaller populations than ours, so they have less opposition and it's possible for them to do all those things. We are a superpower with the third-biggest population on Earth. We cannot achieve exactly what Sanders wants us to; plus, there are far many people in this country who are opposed to socialism.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc. all have high income taxes to support their programs (30-60%).
We're not going to raise income taxes for these program so people should not even compare them.

We are going to take that money from the ultra wealthy.
The US has 546 billionaires. Those 546 are going to fund all your social programs until they are broke.
How to keep them here ? Take away their passports so they can't leave and take their money with them.
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