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Old 01-31-2008, 10:40 AM
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I guess when you're vague enough, you can get cross over support.


What happens when people start demanding specifics?
The same thing that happened at the last debate...he will stumble all over himself trying to quickly concoct some BS that sounds good, and blame his problems on Bill Clinton's "bullying" him.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:40 AM
 
Location: The Rock!
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While I agree wholeheartedly about the lack of specifics with Obama, he's very likely to get my crossover vote if he gets the nomination. I'm a life long Republican who has voted party line like an ignorant sheeple before. Last few years I'm really becoming much more independent. I can't stand either Romney or McCain. Neither stand for much of anything I believe in. My personal hypothesis for voting for a guy with little to no platform that he expresses is that perhaps he will be about as effective as a wet sock in Oval Office. I'd rather have 4 years of little progress towards anything, good or abd, than what the others might do to us. Maybe we'll get lucky next time around.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:52 AM
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While I agree wholeheartedly about the lack of specifics with Obama, he's very likely to get my crossover vote if he gets the nomination. I'm a life long Republican who has voted party line like an ignorant sheeple before. Last few years I'm really becoming much more independent. I can't stand either Romney or McCain. Neither stand for much of anything I believe in. My personal hypothesis for voting for a guy with little to no platform that he expresses is that perhaps he will be about as effective as a wet sock in Oval Office. I'd rather have 4 years of little progress towards anything, good or abd, than what the others might do to us. Maybe we'll get lucky next time around.
That is one thing that I really do enjoy this season: The fact that folks aren't tied down to the age-old "party line" voting. That is somewhat refreshing.

Just try and remember what happened 8 years ago when we elected somebody completely unqualified for the job and relied on a "shadow govt". It is simply not enough in this crucial day and age to vote for somebody because we like the way he looks or the way he speaks. This Country is in HUGE trouble, and we need a PROVEN leader to take the reins in January. God only knows what other messes the Moron-in-Chief will leave for President Clinton to deal with!

P.S. That is not to suggest that I believe that Obama is equally as unqualified as Bush, mind you. I have met house plants that are more qualified than Bush to be President, even AFTER he's served 7 years in the position, lol.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:55 AM
 
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While I agree wholeheartedly about the lack of specifics with Obama, he's very likely to get my crossover vote if he gets the nomination. I'm a life long Republican who has voted party line like an ignorant sheeple before. Last few years I'm really becoming much more independent. I can't stand either Romney or McCain. Neither stand for much of anything I believe in. My personal hypothesis for voting for a guy with little to no platform that he expresses is that perhaps he will be about as effective as a wet sock in Oval Office. I'd rather have 4 years of little progress towards anything, good or abd, than what the others might do to us. Maybe we'll get lucky next time around.
Not a bad analysis. However, I don't think that nothing will happen if he's elected, since he will likely have a Dem. congress that will take advantage of his naivite' and bully him into rubber-stamping their proposals, and vice-versa.
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I see. She's a bad person and unpatriotic because of her facial expressions and lack of attendance at funerals (which I can't seem to verify). Perhaps she was actually doing what she was elected to do, instead?!

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/statements/record.cfm?id=235886 (broken link)

I have read countless reports of the firefighters and other first responders who have gotten the shaft, their health problems from working at the WTC not being covered. Hillary was active in trying to HELP these people. I'd rather have real support when I'm living than a bunch of sentimentality when I'm dead.
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: The Rock!
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Not a bad analysis. However, I don't think that nothing will happen if he's elected, since he will likely have a Dem. congress that will take advantage of his naivite' and bully him into rubber-stamping their proposals, and vice-versa.
Very good point...
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:42 PM
 
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I think in the end the die hard republicans and die hard democrats will vote the same old party limne . The independents will decide the election again.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think in the end the die hard republicans and die hard democrats will vote the same old party limne . The independents will decide the election again.
Not this gal. I'm voting for experience, after 8 years of watching a president who was not qualified for the job. If Obama's my party's (Democrat) nominee, I'll be voting for the Republican. (Or Ron Paul if he runs as an independent.)

I don't agree with any of the candidates 100 percent so there's always something I won't like that they'll support. But this is too high-stakes to give to a lightweight.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:40 PM
 
Location: The Rock!
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Not this gal. I'm voting for experience, after 8 years of watching a president who was not qualified for the job. If Obama's my party's (Democrat) nominee, I'll be voting for the Republican. (Or Ron Paul if he runs as an independent.)

I don't agree with any of the candidates 100 percent so there's always something I won't like that they'll support. But this is too high-stakes to give to a lightweight.

Experience does not equal qualified nor competent. I've worked with quite a few people with a WHOLE lot more experience who fail to provide the goods when it hits the fan and I've worked with people with less experience who can provide a whole lot more! Even if DO give Hillary some credit for her days in the White House and Governor's mansion I don't automatically see how she's more competent for the job. When she helped Bill try to reform Arkansas schools, she utterly failed to realize that things that worked in Illinois wouldn't work in Arkansas because of the distributed nature of so much of the population. She has also utterly failed at moving any of her agendas while in Congress (for which I'm thankful).
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Old 01-31-2008, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Yep, kinda like "Stay the Course" when nobody's actually plotted a course.

Obama's no doubt a talented orator, I wish he'd start putting a little more substance and explanation in his speeches.
I agree. Obama claims the mantle of JFK. Let's hear him challenge us as Kennedy did.
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