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Old 10-30-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Did you watch the end of the video I posted? We're very close to having federal employess and their family and possibly one or two close friends outnumber everyone else. They'd never vote to eliminate their cushy jobs, perks, and salaries.
According to your graph that isn't close to happening yet:


Retirement Question 4 | EBRI

Why are you being misleading? Furthermore, federal employees total numbers reached their highest under Reagan and state employees never recovered from the latest economic crisis.
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Old 10-30-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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LOL. You are making lots of wild assumptions and putting words in people's mouths.
No, I am not. Look at Sanders' platform. He's promising Scandinavian/European-style services and benefits without telling his supporters that funding such requires Scandinavian/European-style REGRESSIVE taxes.

Many of us know better. The research and analyses are public knowledge. I've posted it. So is Sanders too incompetent to realize that what he's promising requires regressive taxation? Or is he deliberately lying to his supporters to get votes?
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Old 10-30-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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According to your graph that isn't close to happening yet:


Retirement Question 4 | EBRI
That graph says nothing about the number of federal employees, or their salaries. Watch the video again. You seem to be significantly confused:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAgT8L_BqQ[/quote]

ETA: source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis:

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/...rker-pay-2.gif

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Old 10-30-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I think in order to make the US more like those so called desirable Nordic social democracies the US needs to become both more free market and also more local in its taxation and spending. As those Nordic social democracies are.

Those who would have Scandinavian social democracy in the US need to know how it works. The tax system is a great deal more regressive than it is in the US for example. This is because a very large part of revenue is raised from the VAT rather than income taxes.

Like it or not, admit it or not, there simply arenít enough rich people and they donít have enough money collectively to pay for a large state. So, to fund what people seem to be proposing the US will need to do the same. Maybe itís a good deal that everyoneís taxes go up to fund single payer health care, free tertiary education and all that, maybe it isnít. But that is what has to be done.

I personally am not going to be okay with paying more taxes, I have paid enough. My parents paid for my college education and I think college education is a privilege, not necessarily a right. Plus, I don't think college education is a one way ticket to success. There are a lot of highly skilled blue collar workers out there, chefs, etc, etc who never received formal college education, but they enjoy similar success.

I like Bernie Sanders, he does look like a man who cares, but his plan is unrealistic and needs years of reforming or complete change of U.S. tax system. All his plans need congress approval and this takes a very long time.
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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No, I am not. Look at Sanders' platform. He's promising Scandinavian/European-style services and benefits without telling his supporters that funding such requires Scandinavian/European-style REGRESSIVE taxes.
He's not promising anything. Try again.

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Many of us know better. The research and analyses are public knowledge. I've posted it. So is Sanders too incompetent to realize that what he's promising requires regressive taxation? Or is he deliberately lying to his supporters to get votes?
LOL. You should be more worried about Trump, Carson, and Jeb Bush being able to win a national election.

Focus on your candidates as Sanders probably won't even win the nomination.
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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That graph says nothing about the number of federal employees, or their salaries. Watch the video again. You seem to be significantly confused:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAgT8L_BqQ

ETA: source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis:

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/...rker-pay-2.gif
Nope. I looked at the total number of federal employees and it's almost 30% lower than it's peak under Reagan. and state employees still haven't reached their pre-2008 economic crisis levels and probably will never.

Your chart clearly shows that private contributions are by far the majority. Your video is a bunch of partisan hackery. Try again.... Or do you usually get facts from such sites as.... governmentgonewild.org

Didn't you learn to look at sources in college?
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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No, I am not. Look at Sanders' platform. He's promising Scandinavian/European-style services and benefits without telling his supporters that funding such requires Scandinavian/European-style REGRESSIVE taxes.

Many of us know better. The research and analyses are public knowledge. I've posted it. So is Sanders too incompetent to realize that what he's promising requires regressive taxation? Or is he deliberately lying to his supporters to get votes?


: think:

Do you think this makes you seem smarter?
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Your chart clearly shows that private contributions are by far the majority. Your video is a bunch of partisan hackery. Try again.... Or do you usually get facts from such sites as.... governmentgonewild.org

Didn't you learn to look at sources in college?
I didn't watch the video but there are two things misleading in your statement. Much of the federal drop is because there are fewer people in the military, which alone is a good thing but the number of state and local employee's has skyrocketed.

Much of this is because of red tape enacted at the federal level.
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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He's not promising anything. Try again.
He's not promising free tuition, debt free college and Medicare for all? In fact, he is. Read his website.
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Old 10-30-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I didn't watch the video but there are two things misleading in your statement. Much of the federal drop is because there are fewer people in the military, which alone is a good thing but the number of state and local employee's has skyrocketed.

Much of this is because of red tape enacted at the federal level.
Military numbers have fluctuated with about ~700,000 being cut after the Cold War, which would account for approximately 33% of 2 million federal employee difference from Reagan to present.

Fact of the matter, just like the private sector, technology has eliminated a chunk of jobs that used to support a company or office or department.
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