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Old 10-31-2015, 03:59 AM
 
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I personally am not going to be okay with paying more taxes, .[/QUOTE]

The problem is that we pay far more in user fees which is more regressive than taxes as taxes take into consideration your income level and ability to pay. America has a much more regressive economic system, (although the Nordics dont have property tax like in America which is a tax that is really bad for people on low incomes and they dont have a cap on income subject to payroll tax either but a cap on benefits) and they raise a lot of revenue from regular people because regular people have good wages. It's better for most people to pay 10% more in taxes and no longer having to pay $17 000 a year in private family health insurance and $12 000 in child care per child.

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Old 10-31-2015, 04:12 AM
 
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You forgot your and the part about telling everyone how many pension funds are invested in the stock market and how they therefore should worship at Wall St's altar, and then the again.

You are as much a believer in talking points as those you rail against.
He supports Trump and wants everyone to pay user fees on everything, so the old retired grandma will have to pay $2000 to use the roads. Just another working class person who works as a shill for the rich.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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The problem is that we pay far more in user fees
What are the user fees for our social safety net programs?

And, as has been already noted with several research citations, the U.S. has the most progressive tax code and the least generous social and safety net programs among OECD countries. The research also explains why that is: Our tax base is much too narrow. Too many people pay no or little federal income tax and we have no national VAT at all.

The truth is staring you in the face. Why are you still in denial?
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:31 AM
 
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Based on what? Prove it citing actual statistics from countries with no FATCA law.
You are the one who claim that in countries with no FATCA law, the rich pay no taxes which means inequality is sky high. I dont support that. I believe you are lying through your nose though.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:35 AM
 
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He supports Trump and wants everyone to pay user fees on everything
Isn't Bernie himself proposing a user fee on the financial transactions of the $24 trillion John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree have invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts?

In contrast, the top 1%'s total net worth (not just investments) is less than half of that amount, so guess who would be paying most of the user fee on financial transactions? Yep, Main Street America. Has Bernie told his supporters that? So much for "taxing the rich." Bernie is lying to you and everyone else.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:41 AM
 
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You are the one who claim that in countries with no FATCA law, the rich pay no taxes which means inequality is sky high.
The only reason inequality "appears" to be so high in the U.S. is because U.S. citizens cannot hide wealth, income, profits, and gains in foreign accounts. We have a FATCA law, so all wealth and income is counted, and taxed. In Scandinavia and Europe, that isn't true. Their rich can and do legally hide wealth and income in foreign accounts, so none of that is counted OR taxed.

Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg:

The 'who's who' of European tax havens
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:45 AM
 
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Or we can just cut out the expensive wars that both parties seem to enjoy.
The billions in waste.
Make the Fed live within its means.
Vacations are on the individual.
Define realistic time off for childbirth. FMLA already grants 90 days.
We could but we wont..

Some companies dont grant FMLA.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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What are the user fees for our social safety net programs?

And, as has been already noted with several research citations, the U.S. has the most progressive tax code and the least generous social and safety net programs among OECD countries. The research also explains why that is: Our tax base is much too narrow. Too many people pay no or little federal income tax and we have no national VAT at all.

The truth is staring you in the face. Why are you still in denial?
An economic system based on low taxes rely on privatized user fees, where people have to pay the same as the millionaire regardless of ability to pay it. A tax funded system is more progressive and better for the 99% because it is based on the ability to pay. A person who is just a working stiff and not rich get more services for less as he pays taxes based on income level.

And the US is not Europe. State colleges used to be basically free, and there was no VAT. The most progressive tax codes in the US like Vermont and Minnesota have the most progressive and generous social safety net programs too and the unemployment rate is very low.

Too many corporations dont pay taxes in the US despite what you claim about the OECD letting the rich evade taxes:


Taxation policy: Appropriating the surplus | The Economist
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:10 AM
 
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Isn't Bernie himself proposing a user fee on the financial transactions of the $24 trillion John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree have invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts?

In contrast, the top 1%'s total net worth (not just investments) is less than half of that amount, so guess who would be paying most of the user fee on financial transactions? Yep, Main Street America. Has Bernie told his supporters that? So much for "taxing the rich." Bernie is lying to you and everyone else.
You mister user fees are great Trump supporter should be happy about that. You are the one who want to see toll booths on every road in America so the grandma pays the same as the multi-millionaire. Or perhaps capital gains taxes on the first few hundred thousands can be exempt like in "highly regressive" Scandinavia? Bernie is fighting for regular people like you and me. He is not beholden to anyone but the people who vote him. Unlike the crony capitalist mouthpieces.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:25 AM
 
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The only reason inequality "appears" to be so high in the U.S. is because U.S. citizens cannot hide wealth, income, profits, and gains in foreign accounts. We have a FATCA law, so all wealth and income is counted, and taxed. In Scandinavia and Europe, that isn't true. Their rich can and do legally hide wealth and income in foreign accounts, so none of that is counted OR taxed.

Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg:

The 'who's who' of European tax havens
So we should not repeal the FATCA law if we want lower income inequality. Got it.
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