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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
All of the research indicates that the more generous social and safety net programs Dems/liberals want can only be adequately funded by a regressive tax system. So the fact that progressives want progressive services and benefits without having to pay the necessary regressive taxes to fund them is simply a futile pipe dream.
Don't you think Scandinavian/European democratic socialists would ream the rich to pay for their goodies if that would actually work? They're all about equality and redistribution.
Not really. Its possible,however improbable, that a candidate could win the general with 30% of the vote(Trump and Bush/Rubio or Clinton and Sanders/Webb), but it highly unlikely since no one would allow the vote to split 3 ways equally, it would always be lopsided.
If the 3rd party candidate is Trump, polling syas he gets 22% of the electorate to Bush's 26%, Clinton gets 43% and the rest is undecided at the moment.
That would be a larger margin of victory than former President Clinton got in 1992 in a 3 way race and he won 370 electoral votes. Barack Obama got more than 27% in every state except Utah. more than 30% in 48 states, more than 40% in 37 States.
Assuming the Democratic Nominee does the same and the poll split is right, a 3 way race with Trump would result in the Democratic nominee having 400+ electoral votes.
Maybe, but I meant more the actual quantity of votes which, while it has no legal weight, it does have some weight in terms of the president's popular authority which in turn could have a meaningful impact on actual policy results.
What if there was a candidate who wanted to restore the capital gain tax, close the tax gap, make higher income pay similar percentage of income taxed for lower income individual's, fix/close tax loopholes, stop corporate welfare, and replace "trickle down" with 50% tax cuts on lower income would you vote for this person?
Can't believe the responses in this thread. Bernie going third party....seriously?! Bernie is in it to WIN the nomination and presidency. He has made this clear numerous times. He frequently mentions about how Obama was doing not so great at this stage in the race, yet he ended up being the nominee and president.
Can't believe the responses in this thread. Bernie going third party....seriously?! Bernie is in it to WIN the nomination and presidency. He has made this clear numerous times. He frequently mentions about how Obama was doing not so great at this stage in the race, yet he ended up being the nominee and president.
Bernie is in it to WIN.
No, he isn't. He's in it to shill for Hillary and maybe get a cabinet spot.
I have done so, multiple times. Regressive taxes place a greater tax burden on middle class and lower-income earners than it does on higher-income earners.
Scandinavian countries also apply their top marginal income tax rate to the middle class, while the U.S. top marginal tax rate only applies to the top 1%:
...make higher income pay similar percentage of income taxed for lower income individual's
Great idea! Can we PLEASE tax the top 1% at the same 7.2% average effective federal individual income tax rate the middle class pays?
Look at the IRS Data on income groups, and their respective income shares compared to their federal income tax shares, and average effective federal income tax rates in Table 1, here:
Great idea! Can we PLEASE tax the top 1% at the same 7.2% average effective federal individual income tax rate the middle class pays?
Look at the IRS Data on income groups, and their respective income shares compared to their federal income tax shares, and average effective federal income tax rates in Table 1, here:
It's idea's from Jill Stein who think a Bernie/Stein combo be a dangerous combo. Like Bernie said would take away votes from the Democrats and allow the Republicans to win. In this case if Hilary was elected I am okay with that, ha.
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I have done so, multiple times. Regressive taxes place a greater tax burden on middle class and lower-income earners than it does on higher-income earners.
Scandinavian countries also apply their top marginal income tax rate to the middle class, while the U.S. top marginal tax rate only applies to the top 1%:
Your links dont actually say a greater burden is given to those on the lower end than on the higher end. Its dividing its numbers by percentage.
In the US, the top 20% pay about 70% of taxes because they also have about that much of the income, where as in Europe that isnt true. the top 20% only pay about 40% of the taxes because they only have about 50% of the wealth.
Its not regressive, you are comparing nations/continents that have completely different wealth gaps.
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Originally Posted by bale002
Maybe, but I meant more the actual quantity of votes which, while it has no legal weight, it does have some weight in terms of the president's popular authority which in turn could have a meaningful impact on actual policy results.
Barack Obama is the only president since FDR to win 50% or more twice, I thin popularity wouldnt be any different with Hillary would would win 50% of the vote as well.
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