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Old 11-06-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If a Republican does not win in 2016, it's intentional.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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Your post is totally ignorant of the facts of our anemic recovery. 2 to 2.5% growth is not good growth.

The Federal Reserves free money policy is what has driven the little recovery we have had. Yes, job growth has been good the last year or so, by only looking at the headline numbers. The jobs however have poor quality, low hours mostly poor paying, which are the most important indicators to see. The stock market has gone great, straight up more or less. Why? Cheap to free money. Again courtesy of the Federal Reserve. That is monetary policy.

What Mr Obama and the Congress have not done is their job on the fiscal policy side.

Please, for your own sake, know the difference between monetary and fiscal policy and actions. What's the difference between monetary policy and fiscal policy?

2 to 2.5% growth is about the best a leading economy like ours can expect to do given that the rest of the world's economy is in the dumpster. It'd actually worry me if we somehow managed to have stellar growth during this period because that signals something unnatural is popping it up behind the scene.

The jobs we created are right in line with what we should expect to see given we're still in the initial phrase of the recovery. It's always the lower paying jobs that get created first and then the higher ones will follow.

QE is exactly what this economy needed. In fact, if it weren't for the Republicans blocking and preventing a bigger QE, the recovery would have been much sooner and much bigger. Just look at China, they did right with a mega QE. We did it half-as_ed thanks to the Republicans and ended up with a half-as_ed recovery, but a recovery done the less.

What exactly do you want Obama to do on the fiscal policy side?

The bottom line is: we ARE the #1 economy in the world. You may disagree with how we got there, but we ARE there.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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If a Republican does not win in 2016, it's intentional.
Yes, that means the country intentionally did not vote for the GOP. You are correct.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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He's intelligent and a republican
You're half right.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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He's intelligent and a republican, so he is probably disqualified from getting the black vote.

That is indeed a very unusual combination isn't it?
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Old 11-06-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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You do not even realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. I never argued QE wasn't what the country needed. I was adamant about QE and low interest rates being the only reason we have what recovery we have. But, QE came about from the Federal Reserve. The economy and country needed more; more leadership from Mr Obama. See, this is the thing.

The Obama crowd does not understand the difference between monetary (the fed; i.e., QE and 0% interest rates) and fiscal (the executive and legislative branches) policies. You are prime example number one. QE, low overnight funds rate (interest rates) and fiscal policies come from completely different places are completely different and under different control and influence. Which means you do not understand that the fed brought this economy to this point. Not, Mr Obama.

Less regulation, better tax policy and more restraint in spending is what would have boosted this economy to 3% or more growth. Those are fiscal policies and the failure in all three arenas lie at Mr Obama's desk.

At almost 8 years in we should not still be in any initial phase of recovery.
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2 to 2.5% growth is about the best a leading economy like ours can expect to do given that the rest of the world's economy is in the dumpster. It'd actually worry me if we somehow managed to have stellar growth during this period because that signals something unnatural is popping it up behind the scene.

The jobs we created are right in line with what we should expect to see given we're still in the initial phrase of the recovery. It's always the lower paying jobs that get created first and then the higher ones will follow.

QE is exactly what this economy needed. In fact, if it weren't for the Republicans blocking and preventing a bigger QE, the recovery would have been much sooner and much bigger. Just look at China, they did right with a mega QE. We did it half-as_ed thanks to the Republicans and ended up with a half-as_ed recovery, but a recovery done the less.

What exactly do you want Obama to do on the fiscal policy side?

The bottom line is: we ARE the #1 economy in the world. You may disagree with how we got there, but we ARE there.
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Old 11-06-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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You do not even realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. I never argued QE wasn't what the country needed. I was adamant about QE and low interest rates being the only reason we have what recovery we have. But, QE came about from the Federal Reserve. The economy and country needed more; more leadership from Mr Obama. See, this is the thing.

The Obama crowd does not understand the difference between monetary (the fed; i.e., QE and 0% interest rates) and fiscal (the executive and legislative branches) policies. You are prime example number one. QE, low overnight funds rate (interest rates) and fiscal policies come from completely different places are completely different and under different control and influence. Which means you do not understand that the fed brought this economy to this point. Not, Mr Obama.

So basically you're attributing the recovery entirely to the Feds and ignoring things such as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?

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Less regulation, better tax policy and more restraint in spending is what would have boosted this economy to 3% or more growth. Those are fiscal policies and the failure in all three arenas lie at Mr Obama's desk.
Fair point. But why aren't you going after the people who ARE responsible for passing regulation and tax laws?



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At almost 8 years in we should not still be in any initial phase of recovery.
The collapse didn't just stop immediately upon Obama taking the office you know. It took a few years for it to hit bottom, and then a gradual raise. Also, the recovery is at different stages in different places. If you are in the later stage of the recovery, most likely your local economy is booming and fully recovered and then some, just look at CA.
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Your post is totally ignorant of the facts of our anemic recovery. 2 to 2.5% growth is not good growth.

The Federal Reserves free money policy is what has driven the little recovery we have had. Yes, job growth has been good the last year or so, by only looking at the headline numbers. The jobs however have poor quality, low hours mostly poor paying, which are the most important indicators to see. The stock market has gone great, straight up more or less. Why? Cheap to free money. Again courtesy of the Federal Reserve. That is monetary policy.

What Mr Obama and the Congress have not done is their job on the fiscal policy side.

Please, for your own sake, know the difference between monetary and fiscal policy and actions. What's the difference between monetary policy and fiscal policy?
Private sector job creation under the “job-killing” president has far outpaced anything that happened under Bush.

While you acknowledge that Fed policy was really correct, I think that you left out that fiscal policy was hampered by those that stunted expansionary policies out of debt fetishism.
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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He's intelligent and a republican, so he is probably disqualified from getting the black vote.
He sounds like the male Sarah Palin, which means hes guaranted the knuckledraggers vote
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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He sounds like the male Sarah Palin, which means hes guaranted the knuckledraggers vote
Maybe but isn't it sad that blacks won't vote for another black? That's why they voted for Obama. The reason they won't vote for Carson is that he actually wants to help them. That would mean they get off the entitlement train. No more cash assistance, no more section 8, no more Medicaid, no more food stamps. That would mean years of grueling education, doing what it takes to find a job to use that education. It means eating mac & cheese while you pay off school debt. It means saving and sacrificing to buy that first home. It means working your ass off so you have something to provide your family. The worse part? It means you have to drop the attitude that someone owes you something. It means racism isn't a means to and end that suits your personal narrative.

That is why blacks in the hood and the black lives matter knuckledraggers will NEVER vote for Carson.

If you can disbute these facts let me know. I'd be interested in knowing why the will not vote for him.
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