Hillary health plan? Just partially disclosed?

[Upton]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Last time I checked, the Democrats are the one controlling spending.. Try again to spin it however you want, but Congress is controlled by the Democrats, and the current spending bill offers no decreases in spending.

As you well know the Democrats have only been in power for a little over a year. How do you explain the rest of the years of the Bush presidency? Republican president, Republican Congress, adds up to Republican fault.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Upton

As you well know the Democrats have only been in power for a little over a year. How do you explain the rest of the years of the Bush presidency? Republican president, Republican Congress, adds up to Republican fault.

I dont recall trying to explain the rest of the "years" of the Bush presidency.. Re-read what I stated, Democrats have been in power for over a year, they are now working on their 2nd budget. This budget has absolutely no decreases in spending, nor has the Democrats ever complained about the previous budgets.

Putting the blame on Republicans, without admitting that the Democrats are not cutting spending or even attempting to fix the problems is just closed minded.

[totallybeachin]

I would just like to interject on this subject. Everyone here seems so concerned about Hillary "forcing" healthcare, and Osama-Obama giving people a "choice", I wonder how many of you ever sit and wonder what will happen to the MILLIONS of illegal aliens that are currently sucking up our medical resources? Do you honestly think that people who have invaded our country illegally will "buy" into a national health plan? Of course they won't. So now the question remains, who will pay for all the illegal cockroach colonies, I mean, anchor babies?

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Some 10 million Americans have, for whatever reason, and although they can afford it, have VOLUNTARILY chosen NOT to have health insurance. The have made a CHOICE not to have health insurance.

Now, "you" want to FORCE them to have health insurance?

Why?

Yes. Forced. Because citizenship carries with it responsibilities. One of those responsibilities includes doing what is NECESSARY to TRULY make healthcare more affordable, and that's to ensure that EVERYONE is covered, so that the instance of "last minute emergency care" use is reduced, and use of PRIMARY care is increased. THAT is the only true way to "reduce costs" in healthcare.

Another "forced" thing you do to enjoy the privilege of living and prospering in the United States is the payment of income taxes, for things such as interstate highways, because even though YOU may not use Interstate 95 along the East Coast of the US, we all are smart enough to realize that open and working transportation links are ESSENTIAL for commerce, our way of life, and our economy.

Just like we FORCE parents to educate their children for **gasp** the "greater good" (gather thethe kids! The reds are coming!). You have four options when you have kids: homeschool, private school, or public school, or, if you want freedom from government and taxes, you can move to Somalia. BUT, save for option 4, you HAVE NO CHOICE: you MUST educate them.

Why? Because when you fail to take personal responsibility to either educate your kid, or in this case, have insurance, WHEN you use the healthcare system (not IF, but WHEN) and are uninsured and can't afford it, you make the rest of us pay for YOU, indirectly, through higher costs. Every bill "written off" is passed onto the rest of us.

There are some who claim that they don't "need" insurance, because they are wealthy enough to pay any bill that comes their way. They reject the employer offered plans out there, they wouldn't buy into a government plan, and they wouldn't buy a basic private plan. I think those people are bluffing. No person of wealth smart enough to have earned that money would go uninsured.

The Obama meme that the government will force you to buy insurance "even if you can't afford it" is shameless 1990s Republican smear and fear tactics. Subsidies will be given for those who can't afford it. I wonder if there's ACTUALLY a significant amount of people who would REJECT cheap health insurance.