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Old 11-07-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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I think Trump will do extremely well with minority voters, particularly African Americans. African Americans in states like CA and TX have been absolutely decimated by NAFTA with the loss of high paying manufacturing jobs and illegal immigrants changing and transforming their neighborhoods, Compton and Inglewood come to mind.

Trump is not a typical Republican, he has immense populist appeal and I think he will easily garner about 40-45% of the Black vote.
Even if they are adversely affected by NAFTA, can Trump verbalize that? He doesn't explain policy positions very well.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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OK, but that's one thing. You can't reverse a 50 year shift by doing one thing.
its a start though.

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Oh, makes sense. What's his pain to get rid of NAFTA so he can charge tariffs on goods from Mexico?
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I don't think The Donald will "get rid" of NAFTA, that would be extremely difficult if not impossible. What Trump will do is change various provisions in NAFTA to make it fair and benefit Americans. Trump has said numerous times that he fully supports free trade but it also has to be FAIR TRADE that benefits the American middle class.
actually getting rid of nafta is going to be much easier than changing it. as i recall there is a provision in the nafta agreement that states any signator country of that agreement can exit the agreement by notifying the other signators of that action, and giving them six months notice.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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I don't think The Donald will "get rid" of NAFTA, that would be extremely difficult if not impossible. What Trump will do is change various provisions in NAFTA to make it fair and benefit Americans. Trump has said numerous times that he fully supports free trade but it also has to be FAIR TRADE that benefits the American middle class.
Oh okay. So when he proposes the changes and Mexico and Canada refuse to agree, what's the plan?
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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So Trumps creates jobs by making cars and household goods unaffordable? Got it.
And when Mexico does the same with the food and copper and oil that they sell to us this too will create jobs here?
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I can think of few predictions more absurd than 40-45% of African Americans voting for Trump on Election night. The Fox kool-aid appears to be spiked with delusion.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:48 PM
 
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its a start though.





actually getting rid of nafta is going to be much easier than changing it. as i recall there is a provision in the nafta agreement that states any signator country of that agreement can exit the agreement by notifying the other signators of that action, and giving them six months notice.
Are you positive? That doesn't sound very binding to me.
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Old 11-07-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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Including Virginia (which thoroughly rebuked their Governor's attempt to pass gun control). The original poster in this thread, when I brought that up, simply dismissed it.

The margin of victory was only a small percentage and actually shows a shifting (to blue) electorate in Chesterfield. A republican seat went to a republican in a gerrymandered district. Disappointing but no shocker. The republican wasn't off-putting at all either. There were no crocodile tears for Jesus shed, no immigrants thrown under the bus. He was a better candidate than any republican running for the office of POTUS. Virginia is solidly blue and urbanized enough for gun control to win in a state-wide election.
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Old 11-07-2015, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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So Trumps creates jobs by making cars and household goods unaffordable? Got it.
And when Mexico does the same with the food and copper and oil that they sell to us this too will create jobs here?
I'll take Trump any day of the week over Hillary. Trump will fight day and night for the middle class worker and is self funding his campaign, hence he's not beholden or influenced by special interests.

Hillary, on the other hand, is beholden to special interests and super pacs and is clearly in bed with the "to big to fail" banks, big pharma, and the unscrupulous multinational corporations
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Republicans, answer me how do the dems loose with the nation being more polarized and Red becoming Redder and Blue becoming Bluer?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d0c_story.html

Democrats have a built-in edge in the Electoral College. But it guarantees them nothing for 2016

1 there aren't a hell of a lot of "swing states." Giving that extra Nebraska vote to the GOP, all that remains are 10 states, totaling 116 electoral votes, that have offered their electoral votes to both parties since 2000.

2 the Republicans have to win the outsized majority of those "swing" electoral votes to win the presidency. If the Democrats can hold onto just 24 percent of the electoral votes "in play," they win the White House.
George Bush already gave conservatives the way to win the white House, Camp out in Ohio, spend all your money on the East Coast ( New Hampshire,Virginia, North Carolina, Florida.

The only problem is, Arizona,Missouri, Montana,South Dakota and North Dakota , arent all that red any more. conceding the mid west could cost you the election just as much as it could win it.
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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George Bush already gave conservatives the way to win the white House, Camp out in Ohio, spend all your money on the East Coast ( New Hampshire,Virginia, North Carolina, Florida.

The only problem is, Arizona,Missouri, Montana,South Dakota and North Dakota , arent all that red any more. conceding the mid west could cost you the election just as much as it could win it.
State demographics have shifted since 2004. Virginia has moved from a swing state to blue state.

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North Carolinas population was the sixth-fastest growing in the United States from 2000 to 2010. Exit polling conducted by Edison Research in the 2012 election showed that non-natives supported President Obama over Mitt Romney by a margin of 51 percent to 48 percent, with more recent newcomers even more likely than longtime non-natives to vote for Mr. Obama.
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