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Old 11-10-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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Which do you trust?


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Old 11-10-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Trust about what?

To get things done? Marco.

I like Ted Cruz, but he will be incapable of governing if he is elected. He has never demonstrated an ability to work together and compromise with anyone, much less the people he will have to work with as President.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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Trust about what?

To get things done? Marco.

I like Ted Cruz, but he will be incapable of governing if he is elected. He has never demonstrated an ability to work together and compromise with anyone, much less the people he will have to work with as President.
Marco hasn't gotten anything done. If working together to get nothing done is what you want, Ted Cruz is not your guy.

Ted Cruz is the one making the Republican Party live up to their promises and they hate him for that. He brings votes to the floor to prove which side everyone is on - proof they lie to their constituents back home, they hate him for it.

That is seriously important to note.

We have looked for an elected official who keeps his promises to the American people and stands up to his own party (when necessary) on principle.

Now that we have one who actually does that, the people are looking around wide-eyed still searching for the elected official who keeps his promises to the American people and stands up to his own party (when necessary) on principle - go figure.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Trust about what?

To get things done? Marco.

I like Ted Cruz, but he will be incapable of governing if he is elected. He has never demonstrated an ability to work together and compromise with anyone, much less the people he will have to work with as President.
I believe that *the point* is many of us Republicans do not want Rubio to DO the things he
is campaigning on. Outside of some moral domestic issues, there is little difference between
Rubio and Hillary Clinton !
- hates Russia - CHECK.
- ready to attack Iran - CHECK.
- US bases all over world, telling ppl what to do - CHECK.
- surveillance domestic state - CHECK.
- no protections against foreign trade - CHECK.
- no protections against massive illegal immigration - CHECK.
- no substantive changes to the tax code - CHECK.
- beholden to special interests - CHECK.
- no record of accomplishment - CHECK.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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You simply have not looked at the polling, and to be blunt, are talking completely out of your behind.

I repeat- he matches up well against Clinton.
I guess that is what makes a horse race. I don't see Rubio making the finals, and if by some chance he should, Hillary will burry him (as she will with any of the current Republican candidates).

At some point the Republican powers have to start to think about who they can run that could be elected. I am still of the view that no one currently in the Trump driven clown car can capture the national election.

Maybe in the rush to the bottom, we elect Trump, and get it over with. At least the skeletons will quickly be out of the closet instead of pretending that immoral/illegal behaviors (seemingly a tenant of both parties) are somehow "lapses" instead of (what everyone already knows) the norm among politicians.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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Marco hasn't gotten anything done. If working together to get nothing done is what you want, Ted Cruz is not your guy.

Ted Cruz is the one making the Republican Party live up to their promises and they hate him for that. He brings votes to the floor to prove which side everyone is on - proof they lie to their constituents back home, they hate him for it.

That is seriously important to note.

We have looked for an elected official who keeps his promises to the American people and stands up to his own party (when necessary) on principle.

Now that we have one who actually does that, the people are looking around wide-eyed still searching for the elected official who keeps his promises to the American people and stands up to his own party (when necessary) on principle - go figure.
Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have the same demonstrated records of accomplishment - none really other than winning a Senate seat. Marco does have experience in the State legislature and Ted has his Supreme Court appearances.

The question is who has shown the willingness and ability to TRY to work with others to move things along.

Ted has never demonstrated either attribute while Marco has.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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I believe that *the point* is many of us Republicans do not want Rubio to DO the things he
is campaigning on. Outside of some moral domestic issues, there is little difference between
Rubio and Hillary Clinton !
- hates Russia - CHECK.
- ready to attack Iran - CHECK.
- US bases all over world, telling ppl what to do - CHECK.
- surveillance domestic state - CHECK.
- no protections against foreign trade - CHECK.
- no protections against massive illegal immigration - CHECK.
- no substantive changes to the tax code - CHECK.
- beholden to special interests - CHECK.
- no record of accomplishment - CHECK.
Agreed and the mood of the country is a factor. Also note that Ted Cruz has also overtaken Jeb Bush in Florida. It could be a contest between the two, but Rubio's Achilles heel is on immigration - proving he sides with Establishment on both sides and is not reliably Conservative, which your check list proves.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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Agreed and the mood of the country is a factor. Also note that Ted Cruz has also overtaken Jeb Bush in Florida. It could be a contest between the two, but Rubio's Achilles heel is on immigration - proving he sides with Establishment on both sides and is not reliably Conservative, which your check list proves.
Marco Rubio has a lifetime rating of 98% from the American Conservative Union. That's good enough for me.

I recognize there are wingnuts who expect nothing less than 100% fealty from their chosen candidate on every issue. A lot of the Cruz supporters fall into that character.

P.S. - Cruz is a lifetime 100%. That is not a selling point in my opinion.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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With Rubio moving up in the polls, he will be a target in tonight's debate, definitely by Trump and most likely by the rest of the field as well. He's great at canned, rehearsed responses, but it will be interesting to see how well he fares if he is dragged off script. I'm hoping Trump is able to ruffle his feathers a bit tonight in a way that Bush couldn't seem to.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have the same demonstrated records of accomplishment - none really other than winning a Senate seat. Marco does have experience in the State legislature and Ted has his Supreme Court appearances.

The question is who has shown the willingness and ability to TRY.

Ted has never demonstrated either attribute while Marco has.
"If you want someone who will go along to get along with Washington right now, I ain't your guy. If you stand up against Washington, Washington will fight back. You get attacked by Democrats, you get attacked by the media, you get attacked by Republicans. And so, if anyone says, 'I'm never divisive', that means they've never stood against Washington. That's how you are not divisive. You don't actually take principled stands on anything." - Ted Cruz

Let's look at Ted Cruz's Supreme Court appearances. One issue that you can thank him for as it involves America's sovereignty - incidentally - siding against GWB.

Medellin v. Texas - the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States. This case sets the precedent that the International Court cannot dictate to the United States of America.

District of Columbia v. Heller - a landmark case, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arm.

He actually has quite the resume':

  • Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 - May 2008, Cruz was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the entire country, and had the longest tenure in Texas history.
  • Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.
  • Cruz has authored 80+ SCOTUS briefs and presented 40+ oral arguments before The Court
  • Cruz served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States
  • Described as a 'superb' constitutional lawyer, the man's considerable skills and laser-like focus were on display for all last week when he took oily reptile Eric Holder by the neck and made him answer the frickin question.
  • In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.
  • Cruz presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
  • In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the majority of the 2003 Texas redistricting plan. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.
  • Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission
  • Domestic Policy Advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.
  • Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation
  • Ted Cruz is currently junior US Senator from Texas. In order to win the 2012 Republican nomination for the Senate seat vacated by Kay Bailey Hutchison, Cruz had to defeat Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst -heavily favored/backed by the DC old-guard GOP- in the Republican primary runoff. In the event, TEA Party favorite Cruz crushed Dewhurst, 57-43%...
  • he then beat Democrat Paul Sadler in the general election by a similar margin, 56-41. Cruz is also endorsed by the Tea Party Movement and the Republican Liberty Caucus.
  • AWARDS: "America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010) "50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (2008) "25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010) "20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (1999) Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School
  • On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He is now spearheading efforts in the Senate to have Obamacare repealed root-and-branch.

In the Senate, among other things, he fought to stop or block important legislation for Americans:

Immigration: Ted Cruz lead the fight against Obama's amnesty, against the Gang of 8 Bill, championed by Marco Rubio, Chuck Schumer and Obama. Amnesty did not pass.

Gun Control: Democrats pushed legislation after Sandy Hook, Ted Cruz led the opposition, defeating every proposal on the Senate floor defending the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Israel: When they were facing rockets attacks from Hamas, Obama cancelled all flights, which actually was an economic boycott - Ted Cruz led the fight to stop it, within hours it was stopped.

Obamacare: Promising to stand against it, Ted Cruz risked political capital standing against it in his filibuster, with Republicans on record as lying that they were against it. Chris Christi, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, on record for criticizing him - and they are running for President. LOL! To Rubio's credit, he sided with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz wanted a continuing resolution to take care of that one issue, but the Obama Administration chose to shut down the government, because they knew that the Republicans would take the blame for it. More astute people knew that was a lie.

TPA - Votes count - Vote to give TPA to Obama - Rubio - Yes; Cruz - No. Ted Cruz pointing out that McConnell lied about the back room deal going on, pulling out of the trade deal.
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