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Old 11-10-2015, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Like falling for "Hope and Change" hook line and sinker.



How about this portrait of Your Messiah?
Do you often find yourself making the same mistakes over and over in life? I'm guessing yes.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Wish CNN would go down to Mexico, interview top politicians, determine how exactly they intend on paying for our wall.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Like falling for "Hope and Change" hook line and sinker.
Except that Obama actual had detailed plans and largely carried through. He promised health care reform and succeeded, resulting in the uninsured rate dropping to historic lows and premium increased lower than in recent years. Obama promised to refocus on Afghanistan after the U.S. was distracted to Iraq. He did that.
Obama promised a fiscal stimulus plan that would stop the bleeding of jobs. He did that.

Trump has proposed no workable plans, while his proposed budget is a gift to the rich and costs over a trillion dollars in lost revenue.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Did your idol happen to have details about how much that wall would cost or how long it would take to build? This all coming at a time when Mexicans crossing the boarder is less of a problem.

Did your idol happen to mention what the millions of people who have Obamacare are going to do when your messiah gets rid of Obamacare?

Were there any details on how Trump would help the Vets or was this just more of Trump's vague platitudes?

I ask you because you are the one so excited. Surely you can fill us in with the details because anyone can say they want to make America great without having a specific clue as how to carry through.
What has your idol done for America, but ruin it?

When Obamacare is repealed, we will replace it with superior system of health care and insurance where people have choices, pay reasonable rates, have reasonable deductibles, can see the doctors they were seeing before (many people cannot see the doctors they have been seeing for years, under Obamacare), and will choose the coverage that suits their needs. Obamacare screwed millions of people. Nobody is going to miss it!

Obama never gave any details about what "Obamacare" would cost, but said it would save the average family as much as $2,500/year. In actuality, it is costing people at least that much more, and in some cases it has more than doubled their costs, as well as carrying deductibles like $15,000/year. Who needs insurance with deductibles like that?
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What has your idol done for America, but ruin it?

When Obamacare is repealed, we will replace it with superior system of health care and insurance where people have choices, pay reasonable rates, have reasonable deductibles, can see the doctors they were seeing before (many people cannot see the doctors they have been seeing for years, under Obamacare), and will choose the coverage that suits their needs. Obamacare screwed millions of people. Nobody is going to miss it!

Obama never gave any details about what "Obamacare" would cost, but said it would save the average family as much as $2,500/year. In actuality, it is costing people at least that much more, and in some cases it has more than doubled their costs, as well as carrying deductibles like $15,000/year. Who needs insurance with deductibles like that?
You realize the Republicans have not proposed any alternative plan, they would simply repackage Obamacare and call it something else.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Like falling for "Hope and Change" hook line and sinker.



How about this portrait of Your Messiah?
Why do your kind think that because we've identified Trump as a clown that we are big Obama fans. You must be aware that there are other candidates in the race than that idiot Trump.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What has your idol done for America, but ruin it?

When Obamacare is repealed, we will replace it with superior system of health care and insurance where people have choices, pay reasonable rates, have reasonable deductibles, can see the doctors they were seeing before (many people cannot see the doctors they have been seeing for years, under Obamacare), and will choose the coverage that suits their needs. Obamacare screwed millions of people. Nobody is going to miss it!

Obama never gave any details about what "Obamacare" would cost, but said it would save the average family as much as $2,500/year. In actuality, it is costing people at least that much more, and in some cases it has more than doubled their costs, as well as carrying deductibles like $15,000/year. Who needs insurance with deductibles like that?
Please give us some details about how "Obama has ruined America?" When Obama was inaugurated, the country was losing 800,000 jobs a month. When his policies took hold, those loses stopped and were reversed. About every economic indicator is better now than then. So, Obama didn't ruin the economy, he helped it.

Obamacare has provided millions, many with pre-existing conditions that barred them from insurance, with insurance. Yes, there are a barrage of anecdotes-- 'I kind of know this man who said that his policy has doubled in price' -- except that his old policy didn't give him much coverage and was a junk policy that isn't allowed under Obamacare. Now he has real coverage and gee-golly-willikers, it costs more money to have real insurance.

So here's what you need to understand. The Affordable Care Act isn’t magic -- it produces losers as well as winners. But it's not black magic either, turning everyone into a loser. What the Act does is in effect to increase the burden on fortunate people -- the healthy and wealthy -- to lift some burdens on the less fortunate: people with chronic illnesses or other preexisting conditions, low-income workers.

Suppose, then, that someone comes to you with an anecdote about a cancer patient, or just an older person in poor health, and tells you that this person is about to lose the care she needs, or face a huge increase in expenses, under Obamacare. Well, it's almost certainly not true -- people like that are overwhelmingly beneficiaries of health reform, thanks to community rating, which means that they can't be discriminated against because of their condition.

I see no evidence in the real world (as opposed to the conservative alternative reality) that Obama ruined America.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:42 AM
 
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About time Mr. Trump visited Springfield:

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Old 11-10-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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Suppose, then, that someone comes to you with an anecdote about a cancer patient, or just an older person in poor health, and tells you that this person is about to lose the care she needs, or face a huge increase in expenses, under Obamacare.
That happens all the time. People have lost their doctors. Some have even lost their medical care facilities and must travel much farther for medical care. Some are not getting required medical care because they can't afford the Obamacare sky high deductibles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us...ctor.html?_r=0

More people have always disapproved of Obamacare than approved it, from day one and up to this very day.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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I recall everyone hated Reagan when Clinton took over. Now he's near Sainthood.
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