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Old 07-20-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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Rubio or Kasich would have been more likely to win but Trump still has a 40-50% chance of pulling it off. I agree with Rand Paul the most and I just know that Crooked Hillary is the worst so I'll decide between Johnson or Trump....never Hillary.
I considered Johnson as well but decided on Trump if for no other reason that hatred of Hillary. Trump's initial tax plan wasn't as good as it increased the percent of people paying nothing and added a lot to the deficit (while still being progressive, which by definition is not a conservative tax plan). He's planning to release a revised tax plan soon. It will be better than the original but won't be flat and still has class warfare. Compared to Hillary's tax hike, I'll take it but it's not as strong as Cruz' or Paul's.

Trump is good on things like immigration, 2A, courts, opposing TPP, regulations, and Obamacare repeal, but his tariff proposals wouldn't be good. I don't think he really wants to introduce them but does want them as leverage to decrease potential currency manipulation by others.

IMO, his chances are lower than in your opinion but they have increased as of late (b/c recent events have made supporting Hillary even more insane). Trump should be up 7+ easily by now (many others in the GOP would). His camp is claiming that it's good that the polls are (essentially) tied now but that's not true -- he should be way ahead. If terrorist attacks, dead cops and the FBI criticism of Hillary don't put Trump ahead, he is in a tough spot.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:52 PM
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Kasich is also too establishment, which is what explains why Trump won and Cruz was second. Trump might overturn the apple cart, there is no way kasich would have. That's why I might vote for trump but would never vote kasich.
Agreed, Kasich is a typical Republican, as we've come to know them for the past 30 years. Which was my point.

Trump isn't.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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Agreed, Kasich is a typical Republican, as we've come to know them for the past 30 years. Which was my point.

Trump isn't.
Most republicans don't want anymore of those. They've been lying to us for far too long and their time ran out.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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Kasich would have resulted in a huge number of stay-at-hone voters. Why vote for a Republican that is basically a Democrat?
That is the problem with the far right wing and why we will see Republicans suffer a massive defeat this election because the far right see everyone who is the least bit left of them to be all Democrats, even very conservative Republicans that aren't far right wing.

It is basically a method for eating your own party alive for not being as extreme right wing as yourself. If we are lucky, we will see this election be a rise of a third party or even fourth party that offer more options than two parties being pushed to the extremes.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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Did you check the dates?
The op posted NOTHING.. to backup any claims..

Even if you add Johnson into the mix.. It still shows Trump +

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nson-5962.html
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Add to the fact that Hillary is leading Trump in North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. All three of which were deep red states until Obama won them in 2008
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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That is the problem with the far right wing and why we will see Republicans suffer a massive defeat this election because the far right see everyone who is the least bit left of them to be all Democrats, even very conservative Republicans that aren't far right wing.

It is basically a method for eating your own party alive for not being as extreme right wing as yourself. If we are lucky, we will see this election be a rise of a third party or even fourth party that offer more options than two parties being pushed to the extremes.
Kasich isn't conservative, that's the point. People who aren't conservative don't understand the vantage point -- no conservative would use the term 'right wing.'

He was campaigning on amnesty within the 1st 100 days and accepted the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. He has also presided over large spending increases (link below).

Kasich isn't necessarily a bad guy he's just not conservative. He was speaking about how, when politicians die, they'll be judged according to what they did to help people as opposed to cutting spending, etc. While that sounds nice, it's the type of language you'd expect from someone on the left and implies he thinks government expansion is a good thing (which is antithetical to conservatism).

Kasich
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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I think a Rubio & Kasich ticket would have offered the GOP the best chance at winning a general election this November.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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At this point, Trump has counted more votes than Reagan and Hillary has garnered less votes than Carter.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Trump isn't going to win at all. Hillary leads with 351-187 electoral votes on election day. Arizona and North Carolina will go blue. A big win for her. End of discussion.
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