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Old 11-14-2015, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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So just who is demonizing a particular ethnic group and calling for their deportation? All illegals need to be booted out of our country. I suggest you put that victim card for Mexicans/Hispanics back in your wallet. It's getting old.

It's quite a stretch to compare what the Nazi's did to enforcing our immigration laws today. In fact it is down right dishonest.
Let's not deflect that Trump's message is anti-Hispanic. There are more Chinese entering the U.S. than Mexicans but you don't here a word about Chinese immigrants from Trump.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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When some charismatic political figure demonizes a particular ethnic group and calls for their deportation, I think of this:
You mean Muslims demonizing all non-Muslims?

Driving Christians out of Iraq and Syria?

Slaughtering Yazidis?

Stuff like that?
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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Let's not deflect that Trump's message is anti-Hispanic. There are more Chinese entering the U.S. than Mexicans but you don't here a word about Chinese immigrants from Trump.
Building a wall on the Pacific Ocean is not going to work.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Let's not deflect that Trump's message is anti-Hispanic. There are more Chinese entering the U.S. than Mexicans but you don't here a word about Chinese immigrants from Trump.
Because Trump is talking about illegal immigrants not legal immigrants. Trumps message is about illegals and is not anti-Hispanic.
You posted two sentences and neither are true. I'd never vote for Trump but I'll always seek the truth.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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Let's not deflect that Trump's message is anti-Hispanic. There are more Chinese entering the U.S. than Mexicans but you don't here a word about Chinese immigrants from Trump.
Mexicans by far are the largest group here illegally. Do you hear about a bunch of Chinese illegals raping, bringing in drugs, committing murders, etc. As I said, they all need to go though so you can put that victim card for Mexicans back in your wallet. Did Trump ever say he'd just deport Mexican illegals? No, he didn't. He merely pointed out who the biggest offenders are.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I am just reminded how utterly unprepared a man like Trump or Carson is for dealing with the complexities of the world. I sure would rather have a Jeb!, Christie, or Hillary at a time like this.
If Christie plays his cards right, he could be The Enforcer - Attorney General - if Trump is elected President.
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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...There are more Chinese entering the U.S. than Mexicans but you don't here a word about Chinese immigrants from Trump.
Say what?

Sorry, but Mexicans are the biggest group of illegal aliens.

They're also the biggest group of legal immigrants.

Poor Mexicans!
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Old 11-14-2015, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Are you even paying any attention to the news?? Trump is the ONLY candidate who is willing to make the illegals go back to their country of origin. He says it and people are so offended that Americans would would actually make people leave this country.

There are thousands of people who are playing by the books and gaining US citizenship legally....There are millions here illegally. We let anyone come & stay here and it is said to be un-American to make them leave....The safety & security of our Nation depends on upholding the laws and making illegals leave this country.
How, exactly, does illegal immigration into the US have ANYTHING to do with terrorist attacks in Europe? The last time I looked, most immigrants from Latin America, whether legal or illegal, were nominally Roman Catholic, not Muslim.
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Old 11-14-2015, 08:08 AM
 
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How, exactly, does illegal immigration into the US have ANYTHING to do with terrorist attacks in Europe? The last time I looked, most immigrants from Latin America, whether legal or illegal, were nominally Roman Catholic, not Muslim.
We don't know who's crossing the border.

We don't know who is overstaying their visa.

We don't know who is in this country.
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Old 11-14-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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We don't know who's crossing the border.

We don't know who is overstaying their visa.

We don't know who is in this country.
Well stated....Illegal immigration means anyone can come to this country and not be sent out....Currently we are going to or have already accepted over 10,000 refugees (most of them young men) with no idea of their background....
It only takes a few radicals to cause the same tragedy as what happened in Paris and we don't know the background of those being sent to our country because it is un-American to not be accepting of outsiders?? Isis would love nothing more than to kill as many Americans as they can.




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Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, said that President Obama wants the United States “to accept at least 10,000 Syrian refugees in the next fiscal year.”
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WASHINGTON — President Obama, under increasing pressure to demonstrate that the United States is joining European nations in the effort to resettle Syrian refugees, has told his administration to take in at least 10,000 displaced Syrians over the next year.
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Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, said in a briefing Thursday that while the administration was continuing to examine responses to a refugee crisis that has overwhelmed Europe in recent days, the president has decided to raise the number of Syrian refugees admitted to at least 10,000 in the fiscal year beginning in October from fewer than 2,000 this year.
The Scale of the Migrant Crisis, From 160 to MillionsSEPT. 10, 2015

The announcement brought a variety of reactions that underscored how the refugee crisis has become another polarized political question. Aid groups called the administration’s action a token one given the size of the American economy and population, while a number of Republicans warned that Mr. Obama was allowing in potential terrorists. “Our enemy now is Islamic terrorism, and these people are coming from a country filled with Islamic terrorists,” said Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York. “We don’t want another Boston Marathon bombing situation.”
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But Mr. Earnest emphasized that the president would not allow any lessening in the intense background and medical checks that can take as much as two years to complete. Those wishing to come to the United States must apply through the United Nations, which has a presence in many refugee camps, and Mr. Earnest discouraged migrants from taking risky journeys and paying traffickers.
“Refugees go through the most robust security process of anybody who’s contemplating travel to the United States,” Mr. Earnest said. “Refugees have to be screened by the National Counter Terrorism Center, by the F.B.I. Terrorist Screening Center. They go through databases that are maintained by D.H.S., the Department of Defense and the intelligence community. There is biographical and biometric information that is collected about these individuals.”
The United States once offered refuge to tens of thousands at a time. In 1979, it provided sanctuary to 111,000 Vietnamese refugees and in 1980 almost doubled that number to 207,000. Around the same time, the United States took in more than 120,000 Cuban refugees during the Mariel boatlift, including more than 80,000 in one month alone.
But after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the number of refugees allowed into the United States slowed sharply, dropping to 27,131 in 2002. The numbers have risen steadily since then and last year amounted to 69,987 — just below a cap of 70,000. Most refugees need at least a year and sometimes two to navigate the system.
For refugees fleeing war or fearing for their lives, the United States can no longer provide anything approaching immediate sanctuary, said Sarah Margon, the Washington director of Human Rights Watch. “The system is just too bogged down in bureaucratic impediments,” she said.
Germany has talked about taking more than 800,000 Syrian refugees, thousands of whom have already flooded train and bus stations throughout Europe. Even Venezuela has promised to take 20,000 refugees.
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“Ten thousand is just an embarrassingly low number given the scale of this crisis and that the U.S. has long been a global leader in resettlement,” said Eleanor Acer of Human Rights First, a New York-based nonprofit.
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Migrants at a reception camp near Roszke, Hungary, on Thursday. The United Nations refugee agency has referred 18,000 cases to the United States for resettlement, but the intensive vetting process causes delays. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times Mr. Earnest praised the German government and people as “demonstrating tremendous generosity and hospitality to these fellow human beings who are in a desperate situation.” When asked whether he would use the same adjectives to describe the United States response, Mr. Earnest said that “the challenge that is facing Germany right now is different than the challenge that we’re facing.”
On Capitol Hill, the divisions about how to respond to the crisis were almost as stark as those around the Iran nuclear agreement, on which senators voted Thursday.
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Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama and chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, said the United States needed to help refugees return to their homes as quickly as possible. “I do not favor every war zone turning into hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees that flee the country to go to other countries that otherwise they wouldn’t meet the immigration standards,” he said.
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said Mr. Obama needed to ask for more money from Congress to deal with the crisis. “And maybe it would be nice if he would admit that it’s his fault that it happened,” said Mr. McCain, who has advocated a far more robust military response to the Syrian crisis. “Those people’s lives are on his hands.”
Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who wrote a letter along with 14 other Democrats urging Mr. Obama to take an additional 65,000 Syrian refugees, praised his pledge to take 10,000 Syrian refugees next year as “a step in the right direction.”
“I think the number has to be higher, but as I mentioned, we have a process, we have to be careful that each one of them is vetted so there’s no threat,” Mr. Durbin said.
Senator Chris S. Murphy of Connecticut said there were risks in doing nothing, too. “Do we think we make this country more or less safe from terrorism by showing a cold-heartedness to this refugee crisis?” he asked. “I think the answer is no.”
On Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry said at a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill that the total number of refugees taken in by the United States could rise to more than 100,000, from the current figure of 70,000. State Department officials said that not all of the additional 30,000 would be Syrians, but many would be. But Mr. Earnest said that members of Congress “misunderstood” Mr. Kerry, and that the number of refugees would not rise to 100,000 next year but might in later years.
More than seven million Syrians have been displaced by war, and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has already referred 18,000 cases to the United States for resettlement.


Ps....One of the terrorists last night was found to be a French citizen. Just because someone is not a Muslim doesn't mean they aren't a threat!!!

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