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Old 11-18-2015, 06:32 AM
 
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I think that there is some confusion as to what Hillary meant when she said during the debate that, "Isis is not an American fight." What I thought she meant was it that America would not be the go to, ultimate our responsibility, to ensure the irradiation of ISIS. She does not think Isis can be contained, but that it has to go. I think we have been there before. Look at our debt if you are still confused and how much our commitment to the war on terror has cost the US. Wars cost money. Seems the ones that want it most, are the ones that complain 24/7 about the debt. It is all back to the "I want my cake and I want to eat it too." It is not possible.


Were is the Libspeak?
"If it saves the life of just one American child....."
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:54 AM
 
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As the New York Times Editorial correctly stated today in "How to Fight ISIS:"
LOL. NYT is cheerleader for Obama & status quo.

The French President, Francois Hollande, just gave a speech to his mayors. He said that France will conduct a major military operation to rid the threat that ISIS poses to France. He didn't mention "partners", he didn't mention relying on others to do the hard work. He said it was a French war.

France was attacked. It will be France that addresses it. It's a French Problem.

So, even that socialist knows when it's time to take responsibility for being attacked. Something that of course King Hillary won't do. She says it's not America's problem. She won't even denounce radical Islam.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:58 AM
 
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Lets See. ISIS has attacked United States, Russia, & France.

  • France - committed to war on ISIS. They believe it's France's war.
  • Russia - committed to war on ISIS. They believe it's a Russian war.
  • USA - King Hillary says it's not America's problem. US Generals accuse Obama of trying to fight clean war. Is this what King Hillary calls "American Leadership".
  • Russia & France is paying no mind to "America Leadership" because they know there is none.




France turns the screw: Powerful footage shows joint airstrikes with Russia pounding Raqqa training centres, checkpoints and weapons depots as - as US generals blast Obama for trying to wage 'a clean war'
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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LOL. NYT is cheerleader for Obama & status quo.

The French President, Francois Hollande, just gave a speech to his mayors. He said that France will conduct a major military operation to rid the threat that ISIS poses to France. He didn't mention "partners", he didn't mention relying on others to do the hard work. He said it was a French war.

France was attacked. It will be France that addresses it. It's a French Problem.

So, even that socialist knows when it's time to take responsibility for being attacked. Something that of course King Hillary won't do. She says it's not America's problem. She won't even denounce radical Islam.
Once again, if France wants to commit French ground troops, that's up to them. But I believe, and I believe most of America believes, if Syria and Iraq are threatened by ISIS, it is up to them to commit the ground troops. I don't see why American sons and daughters have to risk their lives, when Iraqi soldiers faced with ISIS rip off their uniforms and run the other way. Ultimately, it's their land they are defending.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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.... I don't see why American sons and daughters have to risk their lives, when Iraqi soldiers faced with ISIS rip off their uniforms and run the other way. Ultimately, it's their land they are defending.
Speak to Obama. He has already sent ground troops into Syria to fight ISIS.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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Speak to Obama. He has already sent ground troops into Syria to fight ISIS.
Now you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You argue that the U.S. should send troops and then say we have.

The reality is that ISIS isn't a threat to Western civilization. Yes, they can commit acts of terrorism but they aren't taking over any Western nation or can they. ISIS is on an organized attempt to sow panic -- and with that panic, draw the U.S. into a bloody and expensive war -- just like al Qaeda drew George W. Bush into the bloody and expensive Iraq War -- and right-wing war mongers fall for it every time.

Killing random people in restaurants and at concerts is a strategy that reflects its perpetrators' fundamental weakness. ISIS isn't going to establish a caliphate in Paris. What it can do, however, is inspire fear, which is why we call it terrorism.

The point is not to minimize the horror. It is, instead, to emphasize that the biggest danger terrorism poses to our society comes not from the direct harm inflicted, but from the wrong-headed responses it can inspire. And it's crucial to realize that there are multiple ways the response can go wrong. Deciding to take the gloves off and not avoid killing innocent Syrian civilians, plays right into the jihadists' hands -- allowing them to use it as a recruitment tool -- which makes it look like a war on Islam. Having over Arab nations involved, takes the wind out of their sails.

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Old 11-18-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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Now you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You argue that the U.S. should send troops and then say we have.

The reality is that ISIS isn't a threat to Western civilization. Yes, they can commit acts of terrorism but they aren't taking over any Western nation or can they. ISIS is on an organized attempt to sow panic -- and with that panic, draw the U.S. into a bloody and expensive war -- just like al Qaeda drew George W. Bush into the bloody and expensive Iraq War -- and right-wing war mongers fall for it every time.

Killing random people in restaurants and at concerts is a strategy that reflects its perpetrators' fundamental weakness. ISIS isn't going to establish a caliphate in Paris. What it can do, however, is inspire fear, which is why we call it terrorism.

The point is not to minimize the horror. It is, instead, to emphasize that the biggest danger terrorism poses to our society comes not from the direct harm inflicted, but from the wrong-headed responses it can inspire. And it's crucial to realize that there are multiple ways the response can go wrong. Deciding to take the gloves off and not avoid killing innocent Syrian civilians, plays right into the jihadists' hands -- allowing them to use it as a recruitment tool -- which makes it look like a war on Islam. Having over Arab nations involved, takes the wind out of their sails.
ISIS isn't a threat to Western civilization?
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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ISIS isn't a threat to Western civilization?
That's right.

Sorry, France is not going to be conquered by ISIS, now or ever. Same for the U.S.
Destroy Western civilization? Not a chance. But let's be clear: thinking that ISIS is a major threat to western civilization is the reaction the terrorists want.

The reality is that 75 years ago, Nazi Germany allied with Japan, were two of the largest military powers in the world -- at a time when the U.S. was 19th. That was a threat to western civilization. If Nazi Germany couldn't defeat western civilization, ISIS can't.

France's GPD is 20 times that of Syria and the U.S. GDP is many times more than France.

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Old 11-18-2015, 09:00 AM
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Now you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You argue that the U.S. should send troops and then say we have.

The reality is that ISIS isn't a threat to Western civilization. Yes, they can commit acts of terrorism but they aren't taking over any Western nation or can they. ISIS is on an organized attempt to sow panic -- and with that panic, draw the U.S. into a bloody and expensive war -- just like al Qaeda drew George W. Bush into the bloody and expensive Iraq War -- and right-wing war mongers fall for it every time.

Killing random people in restaurants and at concerts is a strategy that reflects its perpetrators' fundamental weakness. ISIS isn't going to establish a caliphate in Paris. What it can do, however, is inspire fear, which is why we call it terrorism.

The point is not to minimize the horror. It is, instead, to emphasize that the biggest danger terrorism poses to our society comes not from the direct harm inflicted, but from the wrong-headed responses it can inspire. And it's crucial to realize that there are multiple ways the response can go wrong. Deciding to take the gloves off and not avoid killing innocent Syrian civilians, plays right into the jihadists' hands -- allowing them to use it as a recruitment tool -- which makes it look like a war on Islam. Having over Arab nations involved, takes the wind out of their sails.
I agree. It isn't like ISIS armies are going to roll across European borders in a Blitzkrieg that will go all the way to the English Channel. It is a danger, but to indicate that it is a threat to Western Civilization is going a bit far. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in dealing with it. It needs to be eliminated, but on our terms, not theirs. They love it when they can point to the West killing civilians; it just makes them stronger.
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Old 11-18-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Now you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Nope. I'm stating what Obama has done.
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