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Old 11-17-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Armed Frenchmen did stop the attacks eventually-the security forces. So they are stopped if you rely on the Government but a few die in the meantime until they respond.
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Old 11-17-2015, 07:36 AM
 
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In our fantasies every one of us is John Wayne, heroically taking out the bad guys with just one or two very well placed shots in the middle of chaos. Reality is more like what you describe above. The sad part is that there are so many who can't separate the two.

Reality is that both scenarios happen. To claim as fact that no one with a weapon could have stopped the terrorist or reduced the # of victims is just as absurd as claiming he could and would have.

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NO, I don't think armed Frenchmen would have stopped Friday's attack but at the same time, Gun Control didn't keep the attackers from having guns so you can look at it from both sides of the argument!

That is exactly right.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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There was a man that was just awarded a CMH that ran into just the case I described, so.... there is not much you can "inform" me on. I have been there and done that, obviously that is not the case for you.
Your right. You know it all. Now go address some one who believes you.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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You are incorrect regarding a number of points. Obviously you have never had any training.

Reaction process is:
cover and concealment
assess situation
engage targets
displace as needed

How long? 2-3 seconds maybe. You deploy your firearm as you seek CC. Could be as simple as ducking under a table and dropping out of line of sight. You assess the situation with your weapon deployed towards the threats. Then you engage.

It is proven over again in real life situations that return fire distracts an attacker.
Would not work for some folks. Its hard to assess the situation when your hauling butt in the other direction.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Running away is effective. Harder to hit a moving and dodging target than someone stationary/fetal/cowering,etc.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:57 AM
 
Location: CT
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The Donald and anyone else can speculate all they want, what might have happened didn't and a lot of people died not because they weren't carrying but because of fanatical extremists. But if you want to debate what might improve the public's chances, think about this. The terrorist relies on chaos and panic, even if armed the victims are always at a disadvantage, the shooter will no doubt have a strategic position. If you want to compare the effectiveness of trained vs. untrained people, take a look at Israel. They live under threat every day, and they've had their share of terrorist attacks, but typically fewer casualties and most people don't carry a weapon. I think the main reason is that all citizens have gone through basic training, every man and woman is conscripted into the defense force and gets exposure to combat situations and training in defensive tactics. Compare that to the typical CC permittee who's been through a couple hour class and maybe takes their gun to the range once a year. There's a big difference between shooting paper targets at the range and having a human being in front of you shooting back. Just sayin' that it may be more effective to train for particular situations rather than arming everyone and waiting for the gunsmoke to settle.
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