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Old 11-19-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Except for the times that they aren't and elect someone from the same party.
The last time a different democrat was elected after the complete term of a previous democrat was in the 1850's.

History is not kind to repeat party elections.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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The last time a different democrat was elected after the complete term of a previous democrat was in the 1850's.

History is not kind to repeat party elections.
Actually your comment was about either party, though Truman did win his election after a Democrat was in office for 3 1/2 terms. Also, Johnson won his election after JFK, though that might be a technicality.

As for Republicans, Bush won after Reagan's 2 terms, Hoover won after Coolidge, Taft after Roosevelt.

So basically, I say that the whole idea that the party in office can't win after a president does two terms is a myth because there is proof in recent history that it does happen unless your name is Bush and you just sent the country into a spiraling recession and stuck in two different wars.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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I think voter turnout for the Democrats is still going to be 60+ million. If you see Ohio, Virginia, or Florida go blue, then the race is pretty much over because a Republican would need to win all three of those states, plus other Red States to hope to win this election.
The point I'm making is that Hillary < Obama.

Assuming she wins states just because Obama won them is not smart unless you are talking about a gimme state like NY.

You said you couldn't see the Repubs getting to 270 and I gave you a clear example of 3 states that are feasibly within reach which would do it.

Not saying it's going to happen, but you seem to be indicating it's going to be nearly impossible but haven't made your case IMO.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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Link me to a thread where the majority said it was impossible for Democrats to lose the senate ???????

I think most Dems realized it was possible, but believed we would hold on to enough seats to keep it.

believing you will keep the senate is not the same as saying it is impossible to lose it.
Ok ok....just so we are completely clear hear you are arguing after having been around this forum for years that it's just the republican posters that can be delusional about election chances?

Really? That sounds um....delusional.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:38 PM
 
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The point I'm making is that Hillary < Obama.

Assuming she wins states just because Obama won them is not smart unless you are talking about a gimme state like NY.

You said you couldn't see the Repubs getting to 270 and I gave you a clear example of 3 states that are feasibly within reach which would do it.

Not saying it's going to happen, but you seem to be indicating it's going to be nearly impossible but haven't made your case IMO.
I am saying the Republicans would have to sweep every swing state to win the election while the Democrats only need to win one of the swing states to push them over.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Assuming she wins states just because Obama won them is not smart unless you are talking about a gimme state like NY.
Oh for sure. NC, now the 9th largest state in the union, voted for Obama in '08.

Hillary Clinton will never win an election in NC as the people of that state see the Clintons for what they are and absolutely will not be pulling the lever for her.

Why? NC has a large thriving middle class they all know too well the war that the DNC has waged against them in the last 8 years.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Actually your comment was about either party, though Truman did win his election after a Democrat was in office for 3 1/2 terms. Also, Johnson won his election after JFK, though that might be a technicality.

As for Republicans, Bush won after Reagan's 2 terms, Hoover won after Coolidge, Taft after Roosevelt.

So basically, I say that the whole idea that the party in office can't win after a president does two terms is a myth because there is proof in recent history that it does happen unless your name is Bush and you just sent the country into a spiraling recession and stuck in two different wars.
All of those democrats that were elected were essentially running for a second term which increases the chances of reelection, historically, most presidents are re elected. The democrats have not had two back to back presidents without someone dying in 150 years.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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All of those democrats that were elected were essentially running for a second term which increases the chances of reelection, historically, most presidents are re elected. The democrats have not had two back to back presidents without someone dying in 150 years.
Well I guess 2016 will be the time it happens.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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But..But..But..She has a vagina!!!

Oh...and 911 too!!!!!!!
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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So here goes.....don't even have to get off the first page of this thread......there some really delusional whoppers throughout it....enjoy!

Election projection: Senate +7 GOP Pick UP/House +8 Pick up
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