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Old 11-19-2015, 08:07 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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So your solution is to curtail religious freedom and throw aside the right to a warranted search where due process is afforded?

Please don't call yourself a Conservative, you're anything but....

The founders drafted the Constitution to protect the minority from the whims of the majority and mob rule, which is what you are advocating.

That's exactly right we need to defend and preserve the constitution both from extremist liberals and phony "conservatives".
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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That's exactly right we need to defend and preserve the constitution both from extremist liberals and phony "conservatives".
Pretty much everything right-wingers stand for is un-American so...

Supporting Trump's blatantly unconstitutional idea is just icing on the cake.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. This was a conversation on a rope line while he was autographing stuff. It is not a position paper. I have no problem shutting down hate mongering mosques. Issuing IDs to each and every individual Muslim won’t do anything. I am all for profiling and if you think it is not going on already you are fooling yourself. To the extent that the French police fails to identify the terrorists is because they are not watching Muslim neighborhoods more. Nothing is going on St. Tropez.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:10 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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You're saying things that we already know...

Why don't you comment on his proposed witch hunt against an entire class of people over their religious affiliations, or his proposed assault on both 1st and 4th Amendment Constitutional rights?

Or doesn't that kind of thing bother you?
I respect your values of protecting our rights. But there are times when a free country takes away certain peoples freedoms. Like during WWII when Japanese citizens were monitored and placed in special communities until the war was over. Was it unconstitutional to monitor and detain those Japanese citizens?

When your a citizen or a group in a country, the citizen and group must be loyal to that country (and be willing to make sacrifices for the country's overall safety and security.)

Trump was not talking about bombing Muslim countries, imprisoning Muslim citizens, or deporting Muslim citizens. He was simply talking about giving special ID's and surveillance to a group of citizens who are a threat to America.


While I was just reading another thread I realized a way today's radical Muslims could kill vast numbers of Americans (and it scares me.)

Personally I never insult Islam, Mohammad, or the Quran. And I also deeply respect Muslim countries, love Muslim women, and feel the Muslim men I come in contact with are strait up men. But I think Trump's plan is a good idea. Trump's plan is more civilized than saying lets bomb Muslim countries, and its more civilized than angry American citizens going out and harassing Muslims.

Trump's plan would also lessen America's present paranoia, lessen hatred towards Muslims, lessen Americans fear of Muslims, and lessen American dreams of bombing Muslim nations. And the only way American Muslims would be hurt by this is having a different drivers licence and their names being inside a computer. Is that too large of a sacrifice for American Muslims to make to keep America happy, stable, and safe?


And today its Muslims bomb us, and then we bomb them (and this repeats itself over and over), and that hurts Muslim countries and America. It also hurts that thing called America, a place where black, white, South American, Asian, and Muslim people all live together, while we share in each others culture, religion, and way of life.

And all Americans (including Muslims) would be better off giving special ID's and monitoring American Muslims. Then white, black, South American, and Asian Americans could have a chance to relax (and then everyone have civilized conversations with American Muslims about how so many of them want to kill all of humanity.)

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Old 11-19-2015, 08:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. This was a conversation on a rope line while he was autographing stuff. It is not a position paper. I have no problem shutting down hate mongering mosques. Issuing IDs to each and every individual Muslim won’t do anything. I am all for profiling and if you think it is not going on already you are fooling yourself. To the extent that the French police fails to identify the terrorists is because they are not watching Muslim neighborhoods more. Nothing is going on St. Tropez.

Most terrorist and mass violent crimes in the US are committed by white males, so you must be supportive of profiling white males?

Study: White Extremists More Dangerous Than Islamists Since 9/11

Sen. Sherrod Brown: 'Generally white males' to blame for terrorist at - KMOV.com
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Most terrorist and mass violent crimes in the US are committed by white males, so you must be supportive of profiling white males?

Study: White Extremists More Dangerous Than Islamists Since 9/11

Sen. Sherrod Brown: 'Generally white males' to blame for terrorist at - KMOV.com
It is not just white. It is white+X+Y+Z and like it or not FBI does it everyday. In fact, they have professional profilers. I know you want to conflate school shootings with terrorism but that is not what we are talking about here and you know it.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Sorry Chad, we're not going to shred the Constitution just to ease your irrational fears.

Even 9/11 didn't lead to such ridiculous proposals.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump doubled down later saying he would "definitely" have a database for Muslims and require them to register. He deflected when asked how this was different from the Nazis requiring Jews to register. If the media does its job and Americans have any sense of what this country stands for, this will be the end of Trump.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Profiling, yes, wearing a special ID, laughable.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:22 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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It is not just white. It is white+X+Y+Z and like it or not FBI does it everyday. In fact, they have professional profilers. I know you want to conflate school shootings with terrorism but that is not what we are talking about here and you know it.
It's actually not even school shootings, its actual acts of politically motivated terrorist acts and crime. It's just that it doesn't get much news coverage.

Recently there was a white man (I think in Oklahoma), that tried to bomb the NAACP building and was luckily thwarted.


White people are biggest terror threat in the US, report finds | Americas | News | The Independent
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