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Old 11-26-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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Whether or not Trump pulls it off, it's not early. Trump has done well so far because of people like Rove so there really isn't much of a story here.
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Old 11-26-2015, 06:02 AM
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This comes from the failed establishment-loving Karl Rove and leftist MSNBC. Why should I listen to them? They've been wrong for months now.
And years.....
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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Karl Rove is most likely right about this one, at least in its current iteration.

There seems to be this fantasy that there is a huge group of secret hard right-wingers out there floating around, waiting for a sufficiently right-wing candidate to capture their anger and turn out to vote for that person in droves. In reality, most of the people doing that are already out there, in places like CD P&OC, message boards, and news article and Facebook comments everywhere. They're already voting for those right-wing candidates. Maybe a few on the extreme sat it out for McCain and Romney, but they're a small group.

In reality, most people - Democrats, Independents, and many Republicans alike - are turned off by Trump's current rhetoric. What is somewhat intriguing about Trump though is that he's likely a lot more moderate than he portrays himself to be. If he's able to tone down his rhetoric such that other Republicans, many Independents, and even some Democrats warm up to him due to their distrust of the current federal government and associated insiders, Trump could have a chance. But if he continues with the current racist and xenophobic message, that's going to turn off a majority of the electorate.
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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Rove's record of predicting elections is not so good. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Karl Rove is most likely right about this one, at least in its current iteration.

There seems to be this fantasy that there is a huge group of secret hard right-wingers out there floating around, waiting for a sufficiently right-wing candidate to capture their anger and turn out to vote for that person in droves. In reality, most of the people doing that are already out there, in places like CD P&OC, message boards, and news article and Facebook comments everywhere. They're already voting for those right-wing candidates. Maybe a few on the extreme sat it out for McCain and Romney, but they're a small group.

In reality, most people - Democrats, Independents, and many Republicans alike - are turned off by Trump's current rhetoric. What is somewhat intriguing about Trump though is that he's likely a lot more moderate than he portrays himself to be. If he's able to tone down his rhetoric such that other Republicans, many Independents, and even some Democrats warm up to him due to their distrust of the current federal government and associated insiders, Trump could have a chance. But if he continues with the current racist and xenophobic message, that's going to turn off a majority of the electorate.
very insightful post....there was about a week or so when he did tone down his rhetoric (being "nice" as he calls it), but that didn't last long - he was actually likable during that "trial period".....but I don't think that is his normal self - he can't keep himself from being an insulting, offensive, constantly negative, unpresidential person.
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:55 AM
 
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Rove: Trump can't win general election | MSNBC

Says that the election season is very early. Remembers Gingrich, Caine, few other frontrunners in the last elections.

Says that Rubio, Cruz, Bush and several of the other candidates are still in it: Bush, Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Trump Rubio are his names.

Betting money: Rubio, Bush, Christie.

Sorry Trump fans.

Happy Thanksgiving.


Rove is a Bush dynasty nut hugger and is pro establishment what do you expect for him to say about Trump? Duh


I have to laugh how democrats are now quoting from Rove.....lol
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Old 11-26-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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The irony is that the angry GOP base that's fueling the Trump-nuttery - the xenophobia, the homophobia, the fascism-lite, the be-pantswetting-afraid-and-support-us-or-you'll-all-die alarmism - is a product of Rove himself.

Rove, as Bush's senior political advisor, looked at the ever-shrinking white base and realized that he only way to win was to conjure all manner of boogeyman in order to turn out every last white voter for Bush. It barely worked - in 2000 they couldn't even win the popular vote, and won the Electoral College by the thinnest margin in the last 140 years; in 2004 they won the Electoral College by thinnest margin in the last 100 years.

Now those days are gone - changing demographics means winning the white vote is not enough, and the Frankenstein's Monster Rove helped create is devouring the GOP. Rove and company pissed away the Republican future in order to twice elect a truly hideous President that invaded the wrong country and monumentally screwed up a hurricane and drove the economy into the worst financial ditch since the Great Depression.

And now Rove's frustrated that he's reaping when he sowed. The irony would be hilarious if it wasn't for the damage it has done and continues to do to this country.
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Old 11-26-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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I have to laugh how democrats are now quoting from Rove.....lol
Not Democrat - Independent. But will have a hard time giving Republicans my vote if they offer Trump. There's a significant number of Independents like me who won't give Trump their votes. If you want to win the next Presidential election, you need a better candidate than Trump, imo. So Rove's thoughts that seven of the 14 or so candidates still have a chance is good news to me. It means Trump isn't a shoe-in.

You make the common mistake to think just because one doesn't like Trump, they must be a Democratic voter.

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Old 11-26-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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Not Democrat - Independent. But will have a hard time giving Republicans my vote if they offer Trump. There's a significant number of Independents like me who won't give Trump their votes. If you want to win the next Presidential election, you need a better candidate than Trump, imo. So Rove's thoughts that seven of the 14 or so candidates still have a chance is good news to me. It means Trump isn't a shoe-in.

You make the common mistake to think just because one doesn't like Trump, they must be a Democratic voter.


Give it to Hillary....that's a real choice of more of the same.......or stay home like the majority of voters do.



I find funny how people find more offensive Trump with Hillarys record and lies and corruption.......we do have a nation of low information voters.....but it's your vote.


If you want a "nice" guy that says the right things in front of the cameras and what people want to hear and then gets to Washington and does the opposite then vote for the establishment candidates like Hillary and Jeb but don't complain later why the system is so messed up and nobody has fix the border and illegal immigration which is in chaos and anarchy.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Rove predicted a Romney win in 2012
And his super pac lost a whole bunch of elections after getting many millions in contributions. If I remember right, none of the guys he backed won a seat.
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