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Old 11-29-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I am in this camp, in a perfect world I could vote for Jim Webb should he run as an independent ... sadly it doesent look like he will and I will have to choose between Big Government Hillary or Big Government Trump. What's the difference?
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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If someone like myself doesn't vote it is because there is no one that I would like as president amongst the candidates. so that is a vote. My non vote should be counted as a vote because I am one person amongst a number of people who won't vote for someone that I don't like. Of course there are people that don't vote because they are lazy, don't care, etc. But their non vote is still a vote and will be counted as someone who didn't vote for their own reason. When they count votes they are automatically counting non votes also.
I'm considering a write-in if Trump and Clinton the pathetic choices we're given.

Can't believe our country can't produce better candidates than those two.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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I'm considering a write-in if Trump and Clinton the pathetic choices we're given.

Can't believe our country can't produce better candidates than those two.
But who would you write in? Some people I admire, like Elizabeth Warren, I think would make a good president. But she herself has said she's not interested. You can't make a person be president if they don't want to be. And to be honest, I wouldn't blame them. It's a sucky job.
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Old 12-01-2015, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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It's been said that Nixon won in part because millions of hippies didn't vote---they were disgusted with politics after Johnson and his escalation of the Vietnam War. They came to rue their non-participatory "protest."
I'm hoping to see this with the Democratic party, those that don't support Hillary as the Democratic nominee just staying home. Once she is official, I think many Bernie supporters won't vote, some not supporting Hillary will migrate to the GOP candidate and others, just sitting it out in protest will not be heard at the polling place.

So, "not to vote" is a choice but not one I would make. I certainly don't consider all of the candidates equally "bad" so will make the best choice. Hey, I want them to stay home because as someone said "it makes my vote count even more" and I am making a wise and educated decision.
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Old 12-01-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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It's been said that Nixon won in part because millions of hippies didn't vote---they were disgusted with politics after Johnson and his escalation of the Vietnam War. They came to rue their non-participatory "protest."
Nixon should have beaten Kennedy in 1960 and there would have never been a Vietnam War.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:13 AM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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Bush beat Gore by 537 votes in Florida in the 2000 election which gave him the Presidency. I wonder what would have happened if 538 people who stayed home had showed up to vote for Gore. Would we have invaded Iraq and still be dealing with the aftermath? Sometimes not voting can have an interesting effect on history.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:23 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Why vote?
Because there are so many other elections on the ballot that happens to also include the election for US president. In my district, the ballot is usually four pages, each side of a page, in three languages, and there are about 20 matters to vote on. I do not consider the US presidency the most important vote, and I often leave it blank or vote third party or write someone in.

To the OP, I would encourage you to intend to go out and vote anyway, familiarizing yourself with all the different federal, state, county and local offices, including sheriffs and judges, and issues (referendums) to be voted on, and do what you think is best for that part of the ballot that happens to include the vote for the US presidency for which you are not limited to voting for one head of the two-headed monster.

I know that in some countries electoral officials do count ballot cards or spots left blank and widely report that number within a few days. It is also done in the US, but I believe that you have to dig really deep to obtain any information beyond the headline winners.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: NC
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When you don't vote you are essentially saying "let someone else chose for me". It is disingenuous to subsequently object to how the winner runs things. Don't let your frustration get in the way of helping chose the better man, even if the degree of good is only 51:49. At least it moves things slightly in the desirable direction.
I wrote the above earlier, but would like to add the following. Nothing is more enfant-like than expecting all of the other voters to decide for you. Do you want to be taken care of by someone else your whole life? Or do you want to have some say? If you don't like the current candidates (and usually you can find at least one reason you don't like anyone, even your girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/kids) then look around you for people you do like and help get them into office. Convince them to run, vote for them in the local offices, etc. etc. until they are the ones representing you. Don't be a wimp and expect someone else to be your political babysitter forever. And sorry, I am being somewhat extreme here, but it is just to make the point.
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