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most Muslim countries from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia don't have any real interests of helping American interests.
now please respond to my main arguments posted above
What matters to you is not necessarily what matters to someone else. I want what belongs to the states turned back to the states. Trump's policies - all of them, from what I can tell - reflects greater federal power, not less. That wall will require the acquisition of private land, I am not okay with seizing private land. He has repeatedly referenced single payer healthcare, that is bigger government, not smaller. He has yet to address education or the looming student loan debt that will economically cripple a generation. Really, it is hard to debate the merits of his policies since it's hard to know what he thinks given that he doesn't talk policy. We do all know he has no nuclear policy, given he doesn't appear to even understand the most basic lingo surrounding the issue.
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If you say people here have been making sound arguments, then please list them for me in one post so I can counter them all
How are these not sound arguments?
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Originally Posted by mkpunk
Why I am not for Trump
Harsh rhetoric towards citizens and non-citizens alike
Harsh rhetoric towards "fellow Republicans"
He's too much of a doer for Washington and his supporters who are anti-executive order will either be hypocrits or be calling for Trump's head
Unrealistic comments to draw people in
Commenting that Americans "make too much"
He's not a puppet but rather the puppeteer
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Originally Posted by biscuitmom
For starters, he loves eminent domain for corporations, he's thin-skinned, he waves the Bible around like he actually knows what it says, and he generally acts like a grade school class clown (cracks potty jokes, and makes faces and calls people names when he disagrees with them).
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Originally Posted by juneaubound
The eminent domain issue is a concern. I would submit to you that the man we have as president now is also thin skinned, dismisses the Bible when it is convenient (when trashing Bible and gun clingers) and quotes it (incorrectly) when convenient (throwing stones in glass houses). Finally (as it relates to your post) I would rather have someone making faces than someone who criticizes his fellow citizens on the world stage, dismisses concerns about bringing refugees into the country as being scared of women and orphans, who appears disinterested and detached and disengaged, and who has a "creative relationship with the truth".
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll
Trump has a history of being for something and then not. So no matter what he says now I have no idea what his position really is. Single payer, gun control, immigration, as far as economics, and being a president.
The president is suppose to have limited power, as does the congress but they declare war, they send all bills, spending and laws no the president. The president is not the be run as executive orders and most importantly saying no fly zones over parts of countries you do not own and or telling they can't when the country already invited them to fly. You also aren't going to shoot down russian planes over flying over airspace that is not yours and or unless it is a country that is under attack that you are supporting and under attack from russia. IE lets see The brits said no fly zone for russia and the brits would shoot them down first. Trump doesnt understand to make America great again comes when government is limited including the presidents power, and "shutting down parts of the internet" people are free and defense of that nation is strong but with purpose and not saying statements like we will shoot down Russians. This goes for the rest of the tough talk republicans who have no idea what they are talking about.
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Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives
Simply put, Trump is the most ridiculous, dim-witted candidate this country has ever produced.
-He's a former game show host with the vocabulary of a 4th grader.
-His speeches are pure gibberish.
-He has a poor grasp of the issues-- his campaign relies exclusively on dog whistle politics.
-He panders to the right-wing fringe.
The term "unpresidential" may as well have been invented for him.
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Originally Posted by Enigma777
A list may be the way to go with this.
1. I lived in NYC for years and watched him ride roughshod over established neighborhoods and residents who made up the fabric of the city and gave it the character that made it NYC, in order to erect giant cement phallic symbols to himself. He did not care about those who lived in the neighborhoods he was destroying one iota and made it obvious.
2. Thought the whole Ivana/Marla Maples affair was pathetic and trashy, yet he seemed proud of it.
3. I don't think a self-serving braggart who does not actually care about people would make a decent president.
4. Never really cared for his characteristics or personality traits anyway, but when he aired the Apprentice, I watched for a season and liked it (mostly because of his assistants--executives George and Carolyn, who I really liked). Others liked Carolyn also--a lot. Too much apparently, as Trump then fired her because she was getting attention (and taking it away from him). Thought that was telling, catty and cheap.
5. Hated the way he decorated everything in gaudy ornaments dipped in gold. Not my taste but I thought it was pretentious and tacky. I believe people who have a strong need to flaunt wealth are insecure, shallow and unimpressive.
6. Thought he acted like a total bozo during the whole bankruptcy fiasco because he felt it was necessary to continuously tell people he was wealthy despite the fact he was obviously in financial straits. Humble is not in his lexicon.
7. The Birther Fiasco. Do not respect birthers in general, but Trump had to take it to ridiculous heights with investigations and publicity. Pathetic. At the WH Correspondents Dinner when he was roasted royally for that folly, he could not laugh at himself--just sat their shooting dagger looks at everyone. Takes himself much too seriously.
8. Disliked the way he started public wars with people he felt had somehow disrespected him. Felt it was shallow and childish.
9. He sues anyone he feels has disrespected him over the dumbest little thing. Feel it is childish and shallow.
10. Dislike the comments he has made about women. He seems to feel that women are basically ornaments and only worthy of respect if they are young and beautiful. Otherwise, they either do not exist or are worthy of only his insults. Again--shallow.
11. I don't like braggarts in general. It is a trait that reflects tackiness, insecurity and the need to impress people, but comes off as shallow and unimpressive.
12. He's more than rude--he's crude. I dislike rude. I detest crude.
13. He purposely insults and offends people and then says it is only being anti-PC because he thinks it will be believed (and it is by some). Its more than anti-PC. It is hostile.Like those passive-aggressive people who insult people and then say they were joking. Pure hostility.
14. He is immature and thin-skinned. Those late night twitter rants are uncivil, embarrassing and something one would expect from a sixth-grader.
15. He is not terribly knowledgeable about foreign or domestic policy and has no respect for insight and knowledge gained through experience in those matters.
16. He went into Scotland and destroyed lives, the ecosystem and the coastline, and did not care one bit.
So to sum up--I dislike him because he is shallow, pretentious, immature, misogynistic, thin-skinned, vengeful, simplistic, disloyal, rude, boorish, tacky, hypocritical, passive-agressive, disrespectful of human beings in general, and knows nothing about governing, foreign policy or domestic policy, but thinks that is irrelevant to the presidency.
Sorry for the lengthy answer, but you asked. Want to discuss one at a time?
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Originally Posted by DUNNDFRNT
I can't think of an issue I agree with Trump with. I also find his Schtick to be quite infuriating, he likes to insult people then accuse them of being angry. What I find fascinating is that the same people who have spent the last 8 years accusing Obama of conducting a class war can't see that is what Trump is doing within the GOP but be that as it may, please do enlighten me what is Trumps plan on Syria or the ME in general, I do agree with him on the h1b visas issue.
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Originally Posted by Mattks
Trump is against free trade, free markets, less government regulations on many things.
Punishing companies for building factories in other countries is not a good idea.
Increasing tariffs on imported goods is not a good idea.
As said before, eminent domain is not good on the scale he discusses.
Trump flip flops on issues as much as any politician.
He has spoken about increasing Internet regulations, terrible idea.
The main thing I like about Trump is some of his foreign policies. Spend less overseas and more at home.
The other thing I like about Trump is his ability to get succussful people in the right spots to make a business/organization successful.
Trump is politically a protectionist. Another country that has a protectionist economy is Japan, a country in economic stagnation for 20 years.
On top of all that Trump has shown no reason he should be trusted. Most people don't have such extreme belief changes as late in life as he has.
Trump doesn't have any detailed plans that I know of, everything he says is very vague.
Last of course is his personality. It might be good for a corporation where he can dictate like a god, but that doesn't work in a government when he will have to work with all levels of government. Trump is ultimately a scumbag, especially the way he has treated his ex wives. I honestly feel embarrassed watching him run and winning nonetheless. In the debates and in his speeches most of what he says is nonsensical, he jumps around with his words and thoughts so much it's difficult to comprehend what he is talking about.
Ultimately he is a one issue candidate, immigration. He tries to sell his protectionist policies as conservative, but eventually people will see through it.
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Originally Posted by MTQ3000
I'll play this game:
1. His supporters are like, "we are sick of the establishment candidates who are puppets of the 1%'ers" yet they conveniently forget that Mr. Trump is like a 0.1%'er. He is basically cutting out the middle man (politicians) and doing things directly to further his own interest and ego. He said that's exactly what he used to do with political donations - buy influence. Just think how great US Presidency would be to his Trump brand! For some time now, he has been making most of his money from doing absolutely nothing, a.k.a. licensing his Trump trademark.
2. But, but, he is different - he really cares about America . . . look at the slogan he stole from Ronald Reagan! How do you know this is so? Because he said so at a rally? Every politician lies to get elected, and he is one now. What has he done (not said) before to prove that he cares about America and its public policy?
3. Do we want a President who is having Twitter wars with a nobody at 3 a.m.? What's that about? Does that indicate good judgment? Or pettiness and vindictiveness?
4. He wanted his buddy Carl Icahn to be his Treasury Secretary. Carl is a notorious corporate raider who has eliminated millions of jobs from acquired companies and became the sixth wealthiest man in the world doing it. And he's almost 80 years old. He has pledged $150 million to a SuperPAC. The biggest issue is that he has no understanding of macroeconomics. So, why does Mr. Trump want to appoint him? Oh, because he's a buddy! Thank God, Carl said NFW. I mention this because it is a clear indication that he would appoint his family and buddies to governmental positions regardless of their qualifications or suitability.
5. Why does every answer involve "a total loser!", "horrible", "it'll be terrific!", "it's all about managing the process", "you'd love it" and similar vague, conclusory or non-sensical phraseology? Unfortunately, he is not up to speed on many policy matters and therefore tries to deflect and obfuscate a fact-based question with such terms.
6. He is the biggest flip flopper. He was a Democrat for 9 years, and has changed parties back and forth several times in his career. His prior statements (including the Clintons and how great they are in his mind) are totally contradictory to what he is saying now. His policy positions are all different now, too; in many cases, they are diametrically opposite of his current stance. I don't know what he really believes in . . . . someone said all he wants to do is to "win" and he will do anything to accomplish that goal for the sake of it because he hates losing.
7. The worst of all is his supporters (not all, but many). I will leave it at that.
8. For the record, I don't think he is a racist, misogynist or Islam-a-phobe.
Mick
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Originally Posted by nmnita
What are you talking about? Now, to answer your question:
1- he has no solutions even though he does understand the concerns of the people. I could live with the no solutions as most of us don't either, but his saying he can do this or that and not producing troubles me.
2-He has no political experience, but thinks just because he is rich he is entitled to everything he wants.
3-He is a jerk. I want a President I can be proud of, not one that is an embarrassment throughout the world.
4-anyone who makes a deplorable comment about a prisoner of war not be a hero makes me sick and then continues to see how many people he can insult is so far over the top it is not even believable, if we didn't hear it ourselves.
5-He exaggerates about everything: he say thousands of Muslims cheering after the World trade center went down. No one, in his/her right mind could really believe this garbage. Yes, there were a few radicals but not thousands.
This is just the start of the list: Now, do you really think you can convince me to support him?
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Originally Posted by nmnita
My feeling has always been, he never was serious about becoming President, he was feeding his ego, now he doesn't know what to do. I also do care about his not being "PC" it may not matter to you but it does when yo are talking about our President. He represents us throughout the world. A flappy mouth can hurt relationships and not win us any friends, which friends we need. I also can not respect anyone who make a comment about a war prisoner not being a war hero and I would think, if you are a military family you would agree. I come from a military family, saw good friends injured or worse and I found that comment deplorable.
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Originally Posted by Bureaucat
That comment on John McCain coming from a guy that never served one day in the military, should be enough to disqualify him from consideration as Commander in Chief. Bill Clinton had a very questionable skirting of military service, but you never him heard disparage those who served, let alone one who was repeatedly tortured as a prisoner of war.
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Originally Posted by mkpunk
What about birthism? What about his comments about POWs?
Yes and we want to get rid of the puppets with placing puppeteer, what's wrong with that picture?
And what if we take the wrong action because we act rash?
And as we all know, the natural flow don't always work. Look at a free market for instance.
We are NEVER getting those jobs back unless we race to the bottom to do so. Do you honestly think nk he can do so otherwise?
Ever hear of saying once a rat, always a rat and a tiger never loses its stripes, yeah...
We are voting for the WHOLE package when voting in a president. We look at their policy and personality when selecting them. It has always been like that.
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Originally Posted by tinytrump
Simply ---he represents money. His highest interest besides himself is how much money can he make. They selling trump dolls yet? He thinks govt runs like true business, it barely touches sound thinking He will be firing those he can't and would never change all those archaic fossils in congress. He would blow a casket in 3 mo !
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Originally Posted by Mattks
We're not talking about minor belief changes. We are talking about huge belief changes late in life. Most people don't go from accepting and promoting a single payer system to a market based system after they are 50-60 years old, and just as they are running for president. Trump deserves to be questioned and you saying that all politicians lie, so who cares what Trump says, is quite ridiculous. I don't think Bush or Christie lie most of the time, but the policies they are pushing are bad, just like Trumps policies.
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Originally Posted by Mattks
Trump IS the special interest. He doesn't care about Pacs because his corporations have billions of dollars to support himself. If he wins the nomination I guarantee he will change his tune. Pacs don't need his blessing, so they can promote him while benefiting from them. He already has pacs supporting him.
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
If you are a Trump supporter and you spent the last 7 years whining and crying about Obama's executive orders, then you should be calling for Trump to quit the race. The man's speeches all imply he's going to ram through all his orders with EOs if Congress won't give him what he wants. Either you're all hypocrites and totalitarians, or you're gonna follow through with your words against Obama's Eos and NOT give Trump a pass. Which is it gonna be?
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Originally Posted by ToddATX
Hmmm, because ...
1. He's a bombastic buffoon.
2. His ego is the size of Texas.
3. He's a racist douche.
4. He's a facist.
5. He wants more massive giveaways to the 1%.
6. Did I mention he was a facist?
7. He doesn't understand freedom of religion.
8. He doesn't comprehend immigration, or the positive effect "illegals" have on our economy as shown by multiple studies.
9. No way in hell would I trust him with our military.
10. I'm all for anti-establishment candidates, but he has no experience to say that he is qualified for the office.
11. Talk about an embarrasment in the White House? His classless, reality tv self, and his pseudo-pornographic wife would be a national embarrasment of epic proportions.
12. Did I mention that he's a facist, racist douche?
... I can keep going all day ...
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
Just because we have one embarrassment in the White House doesn't mean we have to do it again. We don't need another president who:
-is thin skinned,
-is vindictive,
-has a ego so huge they are blind to their own problem,
-dismisses the Bible when it is convenient (when trashing Bible and gun clingers) and quotes it (incorrectly) when convenient,
-citizens his fellow citizens,
-thinks they have a pen so it doesn't matter what congress wants,
-creates racial divide, for all practical purposes pits one race against another.
How about we learn from our mistake and not put another person in the highest office in the land who is clueless about the job and is more concerned about themselves than our nation? There are other choices.
Let's note that many of these are shared by a number of posters. If more than one person say fears eminent domain or if him being 0.01% will shape his policies? Try and convince us that him being brash, wanting government to be allowed to take over your land or if he is truly offering his tax changes are to load up the coffers of the 1% and 0.01% or the general public.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Hardly anyone in this thread, including you, has talked about policy.
your post
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Originally Posted by mkpunk
Why I am not for Trump
Harsh rhetoric towards citizens and non-citizens alike
Harsh rhetoric towards "fellow Republicans"
He's too much of a doer for Washington and his supporters who are anti-executive order will either be hypocrits or be calling for Trump's head
Unrealistic comments to draw people in
Commenting that Americans "make too much"
He's not a puppet but rather the puppeteer
nothing about policy
First off, what is a policy question?
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A plan or course of action, as of a government, political party, or business, intended to influence and determine decisions, actions, and other matters
A course of action, guiding principle, or procedure considered expedient, prudent, or advantageous
So actually questioning personality especially when it would effect his policy be relevant? For instance, how is being a puppeteer, not policy? We talk about politicians being puppets to special interests and their corporate masters as a part of knocks on policy, why can't we say the same about a business-man turned politician?
What matters to you is not necessarily what matters to someone else. I want what belongs to the states turned back to the states. Trump's policies - all of them, from what I can tell - reflects greater federal power, not less.
Okay, that's a legitimate argument. Do you think most of the Governors will take a money cut from the federal government in order to take these things on themselves? I don't know the answer.
Excellent compilation of the many, many valid and detailed responses to the OP. To which the OP will respond, yet again, "But if only someone would tell me why they don't support Trump, I would respond. Really, I would. But no one is answering me!"
Which tells you that he has no real interest in hearing the answer to his question.
The comedy routine is up to 19 pages? LOL wow....amazing. OP this was a pointless adventure...can't explain common sense to people that are Hillary supporters.
Excellent compilation of the many, many valid and detailed responses to the OP. To which the OP will respond, yet again, "But if only someone would tell me why they don't support Trump, I would respond. Really, I would. But no one is answering me!"
Which tells you that he has no real interest in hearing the answer to his question.
I argued why his economic policies work or would help this country, no response except that eminent domain would be required to build the wall (which is necessary)
I talked about foreign policies and being less hawkish (against the military industrial complex) and work with Russia rather than trying to shoot down one of their planes, no response
Every post was, he's a bully who is un presidential and bullied the Scots building a golf course.
You can complain that you don't like him but that doesn't change the situation this country is in and complaining he was a tough negotiator as a business man is missing the point, when he was a business man he used his skills and won, no he wants to help this country win against broken trade deals with countries and corporations who have no interests in helping Americans and yet no one can explain to me why this is wrong.
Hillary shares most of your talking points that Trump is a bully and instead elect me because I'll say nice things while starting WWIII, sending your children to die fighting ISIS, broker deals like the TTP to fasten the decline of the middle class. Then what will you be saying, Trump is a mean bully unlike our great leaders such as Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, or Harry Reid?
Ganging up on me in defense of your favorite establishment candidate won't help anyone
I argued why his economic policies work or would help this country, no response except that eminent domain would be required to build the wall (which is necessary)
I talked about foreign policies and being less hawkish (against the military industrial complex) and work with Russia rather than trying to shoot down one of their planes, no response
Every post was, he's a bully who is un presidential and bullied the Scots building a golf course.
You can complain that you don't like him but that doesn't change the situation this country is in and complaining he was a tough negotiator as a business man is missing the point, when he was a business man he used his skills and won, no he wants to help this country win against broken trade deals with countries and corporations who have no interests in helping Americans and yet no one can explain to me why this is wrong.
Hillary shares most of your talking points that Trump is a bully and instead elect me because I'll say nice things while starting WWIII, sending your children to die fighting ISIS, broker deals like the TTP to fasten the decline of the middle class. Then what will you be saying, Trump is a mean bully unlike our great leaders such as Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, or Harry Reid?
Ganging up on me in defense of your favorite establishment candidate won't help anyone
I'm so glad I wasted my time actually going through his policies.
I figured you'd ignore it so you could continue to complain.
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He will be firing those he can't and would never change all those archaic fossils in congress. He would blow a casket in 3 mo !
Try and convince us that him being brash, wanting government to be allowed to take over your land or if he is truly offering his tax changes are to load up the coffers of the 1% and 0.01% or the general public.
