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Old 01-13-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Stupid argument. Of course he is.
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You talking about the old man or sonny boy?

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Old 01-13-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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The referenced article is very clear. The author is a known Constitutional scholar and teacher.
It would appear that Cruz is wrong; the law is NOT really settled!
Some clarification is definitely needed!
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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People, all you need to know about InformedConsent's legal expertise concerning United States citizenship is that she has stated that both my father and myself, both born in the U.S., are not citizens of the United States due to the fact that grandma was an illegal immigrant.
What about your grandfather?

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Which is quite surprising, as both Dad and I hold current State department issued passports declaring us citizens of the United States.
It is current political "policy" to grant those such as your father and yourself citizenship status and US passports. However, there is no law or SCOTUS decision that stipulates that anyone other than those born in the U.S. to legally established permanent alien residents are considered to be US citizens.

See US v. WKA. Note that WKA was determined to be a US citizen because he was born in the US to legally established permanent alien residents. Not merely because he was born in the US. And this SCOTUS ruling was issued AFTER the 14th Amendment.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Laurence Tribe, the nation's foremost constitutional scholar, says the question is unsettled.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-born-citizen/
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You talking about the old man or sonny boy?

I am talking about Rafael Edward Cruz. His father is Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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^^^^^^^^^
The best thing Cruz could do is take it to court and get it settled now.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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The best thing Cruz could do is take it to court and get it settled now.
Take it to court? How?

He could only take it to court if he were denied being either put on a ballot due to not being eligible or by not being appointed to office following an election victory. Neither has happened that I'm aware.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Cruz was a citizen AT BIRTH. He does not need to prove anything.
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Laurence Tribe, the nation's foremost constitutional scholar, says the question is unsettled.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-born-citizen/
he may be a '''foremost scholar''', but he is being dense on this issue

A natural born citizen or natural citizen is someone who is considered a United States citizen from birth. Unlike naturalized citizens, natural born citizens do not need to apply for any of the rights of citizenship. They are granted the right to vote at 18, along with all of the other rights and responsibilities associated with citizenship in the United States. In addition, natural born citizens are permitted to run for the positions of President and Vice-President, while naturalized citizens are excluded from these roles in American government by law.

There are two different ways in which a natural born citizen can be created. By American law, all people born on American soil are considered natural born citizens. In addition, people who are born overseas to American parents are also classified as natural born citizens.

People who are born on American soil are said to have the right of jus soli, and this right is protected in the 14th Amendment to the United States constitution, which specifically states that “all persons born in the United States...are citizens of the United States.” Jus soli has become a topic of hot discussion in some areas of the United States, because this right is also extended to children born of foreign parents, whether or not they are in the country legally. In the case of children born to illegal immigrants, some people use the derogatory term “anchor baby” to describe a child who is a natural born citizen, under the mistaken belief that illegal immigrants will not be deported if their children are considered American citizens.

For children born abroad, the principle which applies is jus sanguinis, or “rule of the blood,” and the rules can get a bit tricky. If a child is born to two parents who are both American citizens, the case is usually clear, and the parents need only apply for a United States passport on the child's behalf to ensure that his or her citizenship is formally recognized. If only one parent is an American citizen, however, jus sanguinis may or may not apply, and the case must be considered before the child is classified as a natural born citizen.

In situations where only one parent is a United States citizen, he or she must have lived in the United States for at least five years at some point before the child's birth as a full American citizen, and at least two of these five years must have occurred after the parent's 14th birthday. In the case of a child born to an American mother, the child is usually considered a natural born citizen, whether or not the mother is married. However, if an American father is involved in a relationship with a foreign woman and the couple is not married, the father may need to fight for the child's right to citizenship


obama son of a USA CITIZEN (mom) was born in hawaii (a state), and is a natual born citizen


cruz, born in canada, of a USA Citizen parent TRAVELING, is also a citizen...and constitutionally considered a naturally born citizen

mccain, born in US TERRITORY in panama, to USA parents is a natural born citizen
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