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Old 01-09-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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I don't like Trump, but... I like Hillary even less. If he is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democrat, he will get my vote. I may be ill for days afterwards.
Same here.
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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I don't like Trump, but... I like Hillary even less. If he is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democrat, he will get my vote. I may be ill for days afterwards.
Would it make you feel better if Trump runs as an "I"?

If that were to happen because of GOPe antics, the public will become even more outraged and you know what happens then.
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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Further, 65 percent of Democrats said that the "prestige" of the country would be hurt by his election, as did 19 percent and 29 percent of Republicans and independents, respectively.
And therein lies the problem with Democrats and the current idiot leadership of our country. They care more about what foreigners think about our country than for the country itself.
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Old 01-10-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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And therein lies the problem with Democrats and the current idiot leadership of our country. They care more about what foreigners think about our country than for the country itself.
That's a lie. ALL I hear from Republicans is that we have 'lost our prestige' on the world stage. That we are not 'leading' the other countries.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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And therein lies the problem with Democrats and the current idiot leadership of our country. They care more about what foreigners think about our country than for the country itself.
Probably for $$ donations that is.

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That's a lie. ALL I hear from Republicans is that we have 'lost our prestige' on the world stage. That we are not 'leading' the other countries.
Well the GOPe have done this all by themselves.


TRUMP 2016! - the anti-establishment on both sides future POTUS I hope as I'm cautiously optimistic as anything can happen under the sun.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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The problem with voting for the candidate of the other party is that it is a repudiation for everything you have stood for all your life. That's why people vote party line. Being at odds with the Republican establishment and taking positions that orthodox Republicans never take, makes it much easier to vote for him. After all, he is not a "real" Republican.
Only hard core partisans think this way. And IMO, it's not really thinking. People should vote the candidate, not the political party.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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But the lefties on MSNBC and CNN are not reporting on this. How can that be?
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:09 AM
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The problem with voting for the candidate of the other party is that it is a repudiation for everything you have stood for all your life. That's why people vote party line. Being at odds with the Republican establishment and taking positions that orthodox Republicans never take, makes it much easier to vote for him. After all, he is not a "real" Republican.
Trump is not a neocon, which co-opted the party in the late 1970s. Reagan was the last anti-neocon.

Neoconservatism by contrast is Rockefeller Republicanism, progressive Republicanism. Mitt Romney, who attended a Planned Parenthood fundie with Nikki Nichols Gamble, is a neocon. The Bush family is neocon.

"Neo-" is 'new-,' 'improved-,' 'lefty anodyne-.' On record it is Trotskyism brought by Bill Kristol's father, Irving Kristol, into the U.S. in the mid century:

_"From Memoirs of a Trotskyist by Irving Kristol"_
http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintelle...krystol_2.html

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Old 01-10-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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I don't like Trump, but... I like Hillary even less. If he is the Republican candidate and Hillary the Democrat, he will get my vote. I may be ill for days afterwards.
I voted for Mr Obama and will vote for Trump while holding my nose and praying I don't regret it. Will not vote for Hillary but will vote for Bernie. Trump isn't a republican he is an independent running on the GOP ticket.
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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I voted for Mr Obama and will vote for Trump while holding my nose and praying I don't regret it. Will not vote for Hillary but will vote for Bernie. Trump isn't a republican he is an independent running on the GOP ticket.
That just about sums it up imo.

We need a change away from the establishment PERIOD otherwise it'll only get worse to vote for/elect an establishment POTUS.

Plainly spoken and simple as it gets.

You don't have to "hold your nose" just vote for Mr. Trump because of what I said above.
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