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When I think of a socialist, I think of higher taxes and more intrusive centralized government.
Bernie has openly stated he's a socialist. So, why do you support someone who openly states he will raise your taxes and expand government?
At least he is being honest about raising our taxes the other feel that it's ok to lie to you about it. I never heard that he IS going to raise taxes but, if he has I have to at least give him points for being honest about it.
At least he is being honest about raising our taxes the other feel that it's ok to lie to you about it. I never heard that he IS going to raise taxes but, if he has I have to at least give him points for being honest about it.
Right.....the GOP just passed a ton of new spending and provided no way to pay for it.
Right.....the GOP just passed a ton of new spending and provided no way to pay for it.
Is that really better?
Actually we would be better with a care taker Govt. with the fools we have on both sides of the aisle...
With a yearly priority of programs, and budget needs from bottom up would be ideal, without so much emotion involved....but many leaders don't want to govern and eliminate waste or defund programs ineffective...well, hell, they can't even agree to add metrics for most programs to determine effectiveness...
I think we need to hear everyone's definition of "socialism" and what it means to them. Here are a few off the top of my head that I see a lot.
Socialism: "Free" stuff, tons of debt.
Socialism: "Free" stuff, the rich pay for everything.
Socialism: Oppressive (and usually failed) communist dictatorships.
Socialism: Centralizes and directly controls the means of our industries.
Socialism: Nazis
Socialism: A system that attempts to increase the influence of people in politics while decreasing the influence of money in politics.
Socialism: Minimize the number of monopolies.
Socialism: Create or improve safety nets that everyone has access to.
Socialism: Leveling the playing field through legislation that allows working people and small businesses a better chance at being successful while pulling back assistance from those that have established success.
I don't see Sander's ideology as text book socialism. It's certainly populist that lends more concern to people with less money and less success. As I understand it, it is still a capitalist system, in that nobody would become successful by doing nothing at all, or just the bare minimum.
I think we need to hear everyone's definition of "socialism" and what it means to them. Here are a few off the top of my head that I see a lot.
Socialism: "Free" stuff, tons of debt.
Socialism: "Free" stuff, the rich pay for everything.
Socialism: Oppressive (and usually failed) communist dictatorships.
Socialism: Centralizes and directly controls the means of our industries.
Socialism: Nazis
Socialism: A system that attempts to increase the influence of people in politics while decreasing the influence of money in politics.
Socialism: Minimize the number of monopolies.
Socialism: Create or improve safety nets that everyone has access to.
Socialism: Leveling the playing field through legislation that allows working people and small businesses a better chance at being successful while pulling back assistance from those that have established success.
I don't see Sander's ideology as text book socialism. It's certainly populist that lends more concern to people with less money and less success. As I understand it, it is still a capitalist system, in that nobody would become successful by doing nothing at all, or just the bare minimum.
He is running on the same policy platform as FDR, Truman and Eisenhower. Views he has had for 30+ years. I dont think FDR, Truman and Eisenhower were bad for America. They are some of the most accomplished and popular presidents in US history. Sanders as a 21st century FDR sounds good to me.
While I don't agree with 100% of what Sanders says, I do believe that he is acting in a bona fide fashion. He actually believes what he says, and doesn't sugar coat anything.
He is running on the same policy platform as FDR, Truman and Eisenhower. Views he has had for 30+ years. I dont think FDR, Truman and Eisenhower were bad for America. They are some of the most accomplished and popular presidents in US history. Sanders as a 21st century FDR sounds good to me.
Actually, FDR was bad. His ill-advised policies prolonged the Depression by about 7 years.
From liberal UCLA:
Quote:
"New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years."
Actually we would be better with a care taker Govt. with the fools we have on both sides of the aisle...
With a yearly priority of programs, and budget needs from bottom up would be ideal, without so much emotion involved....but many leaders don't want to govern and eliminate waste or defund programs ineffective...well, hell, they can't even agree to add metrics for most programs to determine effectiveness...
At least one reason for why we don't have this is special interests influence via lobbying (AKA money) which is something else Bernie is against. In my opinion we won't ever get anywhere meaningful on policy or reform until the influence of money is removed from politics. This is issue #1 for me and one of the main reasons I like Bernie.
I don't know why anyone would want a socialist here in the US. I grew up in the cold war, but it seems that I'm the only one who remembers this. USSR was socialist. Failed experiment. Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, and Castro were socialists and some had a "revolution". Is this something we want? What about that experiment that happened in China? Nobody thinks of that these days? Has anybody read Marx? Does this not frighten anyone? People are like, oh ho hum he's a socialist. I say "WHAT????!!!" and I'm alone.
And, since when did the government do anything well? These are people who want government control of all this stuff? Did you have a good experience at the DMV? Government control of college, health care, economics, and basically everything in our lives horrifies me. And when was the last time Sweden had a major breakthrough in the development of medications or science or anything else?
I don't know what this world is coming to.
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