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Old 01-17-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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When has Trump ever stood behind working people? I can look up Sander's record in this respect, but I'm not aware of anything Trump has done to try to improve working people's lives, especially in regards to high paying jobs. Moving the manufacturing of some of his clothing line to the United States for the sake of his campaign doesn't have me convinced.
Well, he didn't want to have to put a big tariff on himself after he gets elected. Hence, the move back to the good ole USA.
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Old 01-17-2016, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Fair enough

1) Job's / economy / debt / budget ( I believe related )

2) Health Care..... I know someone who spent two days in a hospital years ago and the bill was $80,000 for 2 days! How long can this insanity be sustained?

3) Homeland security

4) Drugs and Crime......Were losing too many young people. There is a heroin epidemic which is coming from a flood of cheap heroin. / Not just drug related crime, but also crimes like "swatting" that were unheard of not too long ago are now an almost daily occurrence.

That's a lot of topics to cover. I understand when you're not particularly interested in a candidate, you're likely not going to research them as hard as the candidates you are interested in. With so many candidates still running that's a lot of information to seek and study.

I'm going to take a shorcut here and copy/paste a "few" (there is a LOT of information there) excerpts from Sander's website. It covers all the topics you mentioned (and much more). This is where I am getting all my information. You could spend hours read the articles, and their sources. Where does Bernie Sanders stand on the issues? – FeelTheBern.org

1.) Jobs/economy/debt/budget
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Supporting Small Businesses: The backbone of a healthy economy is made up of small businesses on the “Main Streets” of America, not giant corporations on Wall Street. Bernie wants to make sure that small businesses have access to low-interest loans and other forms of support, so that they can thrive. He has a record of supporting legislation to help small businesses succeed.
Entrepreneurship & Innovation: The United States has long been a world leader in entrepreneurship and innovation, which in turn are the engines that drive our economy. To continue this tradition of leadership and growth, Bernie has supported increasing access to education and training, and opposing intellectual property regimes
Net Neutrality: Bernie views defending the openness and neutrality of the internet as vital to supporting small businesses.
Visa Reform: Bernie supports reforming the way we bring workers into the U.S. in order to ensure that they are not being exploited to meet the needs of businesses who want to attract and retain the most talented foreign workers, while ensuring that visas aren’t being granted to fill jobs that could be filled by American workers.


In America today, unemployment is higher among young people — particularly among young people of color — than any other demographic. Bernie Sanders believes all young people should have the opportunity to receive an education, find employment, and earn an income.

What concerns does Bernie have about visas?

Proponents of new visa policies advocate that the visa program will attract and retain the “best and brightest” immigrants in the Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) fields, with the goal of providing them with permanent residency. However, data has shown that the top ten users of the H-1B guest worker program are all offshore outsourcing firms. As Bernie pointed out, “these firms are responsible for shipping large numbers of American information technology jobs to India and other countries.”



Keeping Jobs in the U.S.: American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first.
NAFTA: Bernie’s strong opposition to destructive “free trade” deals began with NAFTA in 1993.
Trade with China: As with NAFTA, Bernie warned in 2000 that Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China would help multinational corporations at the expense of workers and the environment.
Trans-Pacific Partnership: The TPP follows in the footsteps of the previous pro-corporate trade deals. It lacks safeguards to protect American jobs and the environment while giving massive benefits to large multinational corporations.

Unions & Worker Co-ops: Labor unions and worker co-ops must be supported and encouraged.
Keeping Jobs in the U.S.: We must stand against disastrous trade deals that offshore decent paying jobs.
Affordable Childcare & Early Childhood Education for All: We must strengthen our economy by investing in early childhood care that enables our mothers and fathers to be at ease knowing that their children are safe while they are at work.
Paid Family Leave, Sick Leave and Vacation: There should be no question that new parents should be allowed to stay home with their newborn children. Sick workers should have the ability to stay home when they are unwell. Moreover, employers must provide their employees a reasonable amount of vacation time, so people can come together to relax and recharge.
Addressing Economic Exploitation of Workers: Enough is enough. We need to reverse the trend of workers working more hours and earning lower wages than ever before.




Taxes/debt/budget

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Progressive Taxation: Progressive income and estate taxes will raise money for the budget while preventing the creation of an aristocratic class of Americans.
Tax Corporations and the Wealthy Fairly: Middle-class Americans are forced to pay taxes, while the super-rich and corporations enjoy loopholes. That needs to stop.
Reduce the Defense Budget: America spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined, but our defense budget can and should be reduced.
Investment in Infrastructure: America’s infrastructure must be maintained and expanded, and doing so will create millions of jobs and help the economy prosper.


How will spending $1 trillion help the economy?

The most obvious answer is that it will get the country back to work again, and will get Americans spending money. But beyond that, there are huge added benefits to a properly functioning infrastructure. For example, according to a study by Duke University, every dollar invested in transportation infrastructure returns $3.54 in economic impact. That is over three and a half trillion dollars in economic benefit over five years!
How many jobs will this create?

An estimated 13 million people will be put to work rebuilding America’s infrastructure. A $1 trillion investment would modernize our physical infrastructure, making our country’s systems safer and more efficient, while also creating millions of well-paying jobs. Here’s Bernie talking about it:
Healthcare:
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Affordable Care Act (Obamacare): Obamacare was a small victory for the uninsured, but it is time to take the fight against inadequate coverage even further.
Medicaid: Until comprehensive universal healthcare is passed, we must expand and improve the Medicaid program.
Medicare: We must expand “Medicare for All” by creating a single-payer health-care system for every American.
Universal Healthcare: Many countries have proven that a single-payer system can work—it’s time for the U.S. to join that list.
Mental Health: We must make sure that mental health services are available to all Americans regardless of income.
Prescription Drugs & Drug Manufacturers: We can promote innovation by controlling drug costs and tackling fraud.
Nutrition: In our land of plenty, everyone has the right to access to food and education on nutrition regardless of income or mobility.


Remarking on similar legislation, economist Gerald Friedman, made the follow estimate:
“[T]he United States could save an estimated $592 billion annually by slashing the administrative waste associated with the private insurance industry ($476 billion) and reducing pharmaceutical prices to European levels ($116 billion)……Over time, reduced health cost inflation over the next decade would save $1.8 trillion, making comprehensive health benefits sustainable for future generations.”
Homeland Security:
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Threats to the Nation: Cyberattacks pose a serious risk, domestic and abroad. These attacks cost money, and must be addressed.
Legislative Issues: Some cybersecurity legislation has been passed. More must be done.
Privacy or Security?: Cybersecurity is important. While working to improve network security, the government must respect the Constitutional rights of Americans.


What would the role of the U.S. military be with Bernie as Commander-in-Chief?

According to an analysis by Quartz: “His past votes as a congressman, and later as a senator, on issues concerning war and peace strongly suggest that a President Sanders would be highly reluctant to deploy any form of US military force, unless it truly is the last resort to a national security crisis.” Indeed, in his opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Bernie advocated for diplomatic solutions over the immediate use of military force, stating “[w]ar must be the last recourse in international relations, not the first.”


Why is Bernie so concerned with the defense budget?

Part of Bernie’s concern over the ballooning defense budget stems from what he sees as a lack of accountability on defense spending. In a statement explaining his “no” vote on the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act, which set the military’s budget at $560 billion, Bernie expressed concern that “the military is unable to even account for how it spends all of its money.” Bernie also voted against the 2012 and 2013 defense authorization bills, voicing alarm at the size of the defense budget despite the United States having withdrawn all military members from Iraq at the end of 2011.


How has Bernie voted in terms of border security legislation?

  • In 2005, Bernie voted against the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Act, which would have allowed the Secretary of Homeland Security to “take all appropriate actions” to maintain control over the U.S borders.
  • In 2006 he voted against the Secure Fence Act, which aimed to build a fence along the Mexican border.
  • Later that year, Bernie voted against the Immigration Law Enforcement Act, which would have given local police departments free reign “to investigate, identify, arrest, detail, or transfer to federal custody” any undocumented immigrants.
  • In 2013, Bernie voted for a comprehensive immigration reform bill called the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act. This bill, which passed in the Senate but failed in the House, would have provided a way for undocumented immigrants to gain a type of legal status that set a clear path to citizenship. It also would have added as many as 40,000 border patrol agents and encouraged a points-based system that would award points towards entry based on education, employment, and other factors.
  • In 2015, Bernie welcomed the U.S. and Canada Border Pact, emphasizing the need for the borders to be safe and secure while also working to “preserve the centuries-old friendship between our nations and the ability of Americans and Canadians to freely cross the border.”
Drugs and Crime:
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Current State of the War on Drugs: A failed policy that has served to increase unemployment, imprison nonviolent offenders, and unfairly target blacks.
Treatment for Drug Offenders: Nonviolent offenders should not be incarcerated. Instead, they should be allowed to access affordable treatment to address their drug dependencies.
Medical Use of Marijuana: Marijuana has medicinal properties and ought to be legalized for medicinal use.
Recreational Use of Marijuana: Bernie has said he would vote yes as a resident of a state considering legalization. For federal legalization, he has said that he supports ending the federal prohibition on marijuana, allowing states to opt for legalization if they so choose.
Addressing the Heroin Epidemic: Heroin abuse is at epidemic levels, and the United States doesn’t have the infrastructure nor the resources for proper treatment.


Mass Incarceration: The U.S. incarcerates far too many people, a disproportionate percentage of them are people of color. Rather than spending resources to incarcerate people who aren’t an inherent threat to society — such as nonviolent drug offenders — Bernie proposes we spend more on education, training, and jobs that will reduce crime.
Police Reform: Bernie believes police should be demilitarized and held accountable for abusive practices. Body cameras are necessary to ensure accountability, and we need to prioritize community policing over strategies that escalate to violence.
Changing the Nature of Incarceration: Bernie wants to abolish private prisons, and focus on rehabilitating those serving time through education and job training. These initiatives can set them up for success upon release and reduce recidivism.
Capital Punishment: Civilized nations should not execute criminals. In the case of an exceptionally heinous crime, Bernie favors life imprisonment over the death penalty, believing that a life sentence is a harsh enough punishment.
Violent Crime: These crimes are a national scourge Bernie believes can be addressed through more sensible gun control as well as investments in programs that promote better policing and prevent domestic and sexual violence.

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Old 01-17-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Wow! That's a whole lot of nonsense for a supposed "no-nonsense" person

Trickle down economics lol! If we just give those millionaires more money, it'll somehow find it's way into my bank account
Sure, we take money from your account give it to millionaires and if they are up to it I can work to earn it back. What's not to love? I'd pay disproportionate taxes for such an opportunity.
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Old 01-17-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Fair enough

1) Job's / economy / debt / budget ( I believe related )

2) Health Care..... I know someone who spent two days in a hospital years ago and the bill was $80,000 for 2 days! How long can this insanity be sustained?

3) Homeland security

4) Drugs and Crime......Were losing too many young people. There is a heroin epidemic which is coming from a flood of cheap heroin. / Not just drug related crime, but also crimes like "swatting" that were unheard of not too long ago are now an almost daily occurrence.

Trump version: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

1.) Jobs/economy/debt/budget

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The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

  1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
  2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
  3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
  4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral (I've already read a study that disputes this claim and says it would actually add to the deficit if enacted as planned.)

The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

  1. Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
  2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
  3. Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:
  1. Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
  2. Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
  3. Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
  4. Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.
Healthcare:
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The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.
The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.
The Trump Plan Will:
  1. Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.
  2. Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members’ post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.
  3. Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.
Homeland Security:
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When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.



The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
Drugs and Crime:
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Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
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Old 01-17-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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Pro choice, women rights, gun stance is moderate, stance on ISIS and how to respond to foreign crisises, stance on free higher public education, immigration policy, job creation idea's, push for the growth of science/improvement of education in the U.S., put a tariff on imported goods, regulating bank's, criminal justice reform, stance on the Drug War, and a few other idea's agree with is the reason voting for Senator Sanders.
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Old 01-18-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Canadians overwhelmingly support their system though. There are issues, but they are addressing it and that's a good thing. According to this NY Times article the issue is real in the US too:
The fact is, when surveyed, Brits and Canadians are much more satisfied with their healthcare system than we our with ours. My spouse is British, as are many of our friends and they all prefer their healthcare system hands down.

Healthcare System Ratings: U.S., Great Britain, Canada

And for those who continuously claim healthcare is not a right---no it is a necessity, related to staying alive. It is sold like consumer goods here, but without any competition or free marketplace. And the costs keep increasing in order to keep profit margins high.

Our healthcare system is controlled by the high-profit insurance and pharmaceutical industries, who also have very influential lobbies ins DC. Hospital costs are out of control and insane. We pay for pharmaceutical R&D for the entire world because other countries have price controls on prescription drugs.

The main problem with the ACA is that it gives too much control to high profit insurance companies. And physicians in the UK and Canada do not routinely drive Porsches or own half a dozen investment properties in town. Businesses should not have to provide health insurance to employees--they could use the money for higher wages and to re-invest in the business.

The fact that private equity companies are even legally allowed to buy pharmaceutical companies is obscene in itself. Then we end up with greedy idiots raising the price of drugs 1000% overnight--that is insane. Nothing at all makes sense about our healthcare system--it was designed during another era in our history and is in no way relevant to our current society.

The fact that the VP of the US had to consider selling his home because his son got cancer pretty much sums up the disgusting state of healthcare in the US.

We are always hearing how our country is based on Christian values--that is a hypocritical crock. I guarantee you that medicine, hospitals and healthcare would not be a high profit industry that only some can afford if Jesus was in charge.

The fear mongering GOP would have you believe you are going to be killed by refugees and immigrants when the truth of the matter is that you are much more likely to die of cancer or some other disease, and if you don't die, you are likely to go bankrupt.
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Old 01-18-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I don't vote democrat, but if I had to I can see Bernie's appeal. He has some good intentions.
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Old 01-18-2016, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The fact is, when surveyed, Brits and Canadians are much more satisfied with their healthcare system than we our with ours. My spouse is British, as are many of our friends and they all prefer their healthcare system hands down.

Healthcare System Ratings: U.S., Great Britain, Canada

And for those who continuously claim healthcare is not a right---no it is a necessity, related to staying alive. It is sold like consumer goods here, but without any competition or free marketplace. And the costs keep increasing in order to keep profit margins high.

Our healthcare system is controlled by the high-profit insurance and pharmaceutical industries, who also have very influential lobbies ins DC. Hospital costs are out of control and insane. We pay for pharmaceutical R&D for the entire world because other countries have price controls on prescription drugs.

The main problem with the ACA is that it gives too much control to high profit insurance companies. And physicians in the UK and Canada do not routinely drive Porsches or own half a dozen investment properties in town. Businesses should not have to provide health insurance to employees--they could use the money for higher wages and to re-invest in the business.

The fact that private equity companies are even legally allowed to buy pharmaceutical companies is obscene in itself. Then we end up with greedy idiots raising the price of drugs 1000% overnight--that is insane. Nothing at all makes sense about our healthcare system--it was designed during another era in our history and is in no way relevant to our current society.

The fact that the VP of the US had to consider selling his home because his son got cancer pretty much sums up the disgusting state of healthcare in the US.

We are always hearing how our country is based on Christian values--that is a hypocritical crock. I guarantee you that medicine, hospitals and healthcare would not be a high profit industry that only some can afford if Jesus was in charge.

The fear mongering GOP would have you believe you are going to be killed by refugees and immigrants when the truth of the matter is that you are much more likely to die of cancer or some other disease, and if you don't die, you are likely to go bankrupt.
I would like to see some sort of UHC in this country. I don't doubt that the Canadians and the Brits like their systems better. However, it's not going to come cheap. Part of it has to do with the way medicine is practiced in this country.

I worked with a group of physicians for many years. They weren't driving Porsches or ownng a half dozen investment properties either. The younger ones were paying off student loans and the older ones were paying college tuition for their own kids, with some crossover. In fact, go over to your local hospital and count the Porsches in the the physician's parking area. Here in CO a lot of them drive SUVs or pick-up trucks.

It is incredibly naive to think that a UHC will just adminster itself. Of course there will be admins. Most people who work for insurance companies are not making millions of dollars.

Most hospitals are non-profit or government run. Did You Know: For-Profit Versus Nonprofit Hospitals | Health Net Broker Pulse
"According to the AHA, about 18 percent of U.S. hospitals are private, for-profit hospitals, while 23 percent are owned by state and local governments. The rest are private, nonprofit facilities. This means they’re exempt from federal income tax—and often other taxes as well. It also means tax-exempt bonds may be issued on their behalf."

Some medical practices are non-profit, such as Kaiser-Permanente, a big player here in the west. Many non-profit hospitals also own medical practices. Private practices are not the high profit "industry" you think they are. The average salary for a pediatrician is ~$180,000K; for a Family Practice phyisican about $186K http://www1.salary.com/Pediatric-Physician-Salary.html; Physician - Family Practice Salaries and how key factors impact Physician - Family Practice Salaries - Salary.com
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:27 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Most hospitals are non-profit or government run.

They dang sure don't act like it! Back in the late-60s early 70s before my late husband became a crane operator at our steel mill, he was a loan officer for a bank, which also meant he handled bill collection/repos, and he said the dirtiest business anyone can get into financial difficulty with [besides the mafia at the time] is the hospitals! They are the fastest to turn you over to a collection agency or garnishee your wages for the most ridiculously small amounts.


Just ask any medical transcriptionist or other hospital personnel about the greed of the hospital where they work, and employee morale, and if they try to get a union in there!


When my husband had the heart attack that took his life, and the ambulance EMTs took him into the ER, I wasn't even permitted to go in there, instead I was dragged to admitting, because they insisted on getting his insurance coverage info first!! When I next saw him ,he was gone!


Money and profit is all these so-called non-profit hospitals care about. I will never be convinced there even is such a thing! 'Non-profit hospital' is an oxymoron... a made-up propaganda term, IMO!


You can bet that I want to see the greedy SOBs, the insurance companies, and the doctors too, reined in by Universal health care!


The outrageous copays of thousands of dollars under Obamacare-"the health care plan that no one can afford", is incomprehensible! My 23 yr. old grandson is paying the much cheaper penalty[but each year it goes up], rather than sign up for it! Hilary[ie. Obama 2] can take it and stick it!
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:35 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Trickle down economics lol! If we just give those millionaires more money, it'll somehow find it's way into my bank account
This is what the lazy think. They don't have to work; the money will magically "trickle down" to their pockets. But that isn't how it works, and smart people know that wasn't what Reagan meant when he used the phrase. When the economy is good, jobs are created, and people willing to work get hired; hence, the economic expansion does put money in your pocket if you are willing to work and take advantage of it.

Lazy people will not be helped. That's their fault.
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