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Old 02-06-2008, 09:32 AM
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Hillary Clinton MUST get him talking about issues; He MUST be forced to answer questions. That is precisely why he is refusing her demand for 1 debate a week. He simply cannot withstand her when it comes right down answering questions about the issus.

""I think we should debate once a week, because we're just getting down to the two of us. That's only been the case for the last week. And there are a lot of differences between us that need to be explored, and voters need to have information." -Hillary Clinton

So, far, She has accepted Fox news' request for a 2/11 debate; Obama has not. Are you afraid Sen. Obama? As voters, we are entitled to hear from you, and you are obligated to answer to us.

Here's and interesting statistic: Obama did VERY well with voters with an income of over $150k a year; Hillary swept those with $50k or less. So, who does that tell you is the candidate who has the best interests of the poor and Middle class in mind???

He is against any substantial mortgage/credit card reforms; This benefits the financial industry; He is against Universal Healthcare for ALL Americans, which benefits the Insurance and big Pharmaceutical industry; He is against completely repealing the Bush tax cuts, which benefits the wealthier Americans.

So, do you still think he is the best candidate to represent poor communities like the inner-city Chicago, that he touts non-stop? I think it is becoming abundantly clear that his real interests lie with the most elite sectors of American society...

During his speech last night, Sen. Obama continued his negative attacks on Hillary. Among them:
It's a choice between a candidate who's taken more money from Washington lobbyists than either Republican in this race and a campaign that has not taken a dime of their money.
Sen. Obama's comments come on the same week Public Citizen released a report (http://www.citizen.org/documents/LobbyistsFinal.pdf)detailing ten bundlers for Sen. Obama who have registered as federal lobbyists.
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:36 AM
 
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From my understanding Hillary is trying to get all these debates because she has much less cash flow than Obama, so she needs the free exposure and air time.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Obama can not address the issues because he has no depth.
He is running on popularity and Obamamania.

When will people wake up to this snake oil salesman?
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:15 AM
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From my understanding Hillary is trying to get all these debates because she has much less cash flow than Obama, so she needs the free exposure and air time.
Yep, That's the Obama spin. Regardless, why is he refusing to debate her? Is it because TV and print ads don't have to talk back?

One would think that his supporters want to hear what he has to say too, huh?
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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But everytime hillary tries to debate him as candidate are supposed to do she is usually accused of being a big bad racist bully who is always picking on poor little obama boohoohoo. We all know hillary is the bigger and better person but for some reason americans are craving for obama win because they have a crush on him. Even in his speech last night there were multiple females yelling out I love you to obama and he actually yelled a playfully I love you back to one and you can hear all the females giggling in the background. Sometimes I think women are worser than men when it comes to selecting elgible people versus ones we have the hots for.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:02 AM
 
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Why should Obama legitimize a network that reported he was a madrassa-educated muslim?

When the Democrats chose to avoid Fox debates, they got a lot of handwringing from the Mark Penn's of the democratic party, predicting doom and gloom for the democrats if they don't participate in Murdoch propaganda. Since then, dems are voting in record numbers, often doubling or tripling republican primary voters. They're vastly outraising the GOP, especially in individual donations. They don't need Fox news. Participating in debates on Fox, preceeded by commentary by Brit Hume and Bill Kristol, followed by commentary by Sean Hannity and Karl Rove, does nothing for the democratic party.

Until the GOP holds their debates on Air America, there's no reason for Hillary to try and pretend they are a respectable news outlet.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:11 AM
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Why should Obama legitimize a network that reported he was a madrassa-educated muslim?

When the Democrats chose to avoid Fox debates, they got a lot of handwringing from the Mark Penn's of the democratic party, predicting doom and gloom for the democrats if they don't participate in Murdoch propaganda. Since then, dems are voting in record numbers, often doubling or tripling republican primary voters. They're vastly outraising the GOP, especially in individual donations. They don't need Fox news. Participating in debates on Fox, preceeded by commentary by Brit Hume and Bill Kristol, followed by commentary by Sean Hannity and Karl Rove, does nothing for the democratic party.

Until the GOP holds their debates on Air America, there's no reason for Hillary to try and pretend they are a respectable news outlet.
Fine! Let's do it on CNN or whatever venue he chooses. Let's just do it. To even insuate that FOX is somehow in favor of Hillary is flat-out ludicrous. She has been blasted by the right-wing radicals on FOX for 15+ years.

The simple fact is that Obama is terrified of debating Hillary (or anybody else) on issues, because he is vastly unprepared to do so without a speechwriter on hand to frame the issues for him in a way that is targeted to tap into emotions.

So, so far, the two reasons we have that Obama refuses to debate Hillary are these, am I correct?:

1. Because Hillary has less money than Obama does;
2. Because FOX is clearly biased against him; (With all of the OBVIOUS MSM bias against Hillary to date, this is just plain hysterical!)

What do either of these excuses have to do with American's request for and right to know where Obama stands, specifically, on the issues?
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:25 AM
 
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Fine! Let's do it on CNN or whatever venue he chooses. Let's just do it. To even insuate that FOX is somehow in favor of Hillary is flat-out ludicrous. She has been blasted by the right-wing radicals on FOX for 15+ years.

The simple fact is that Obama is terrified of debating Hillary (or anybody else) on issues, because he is vastly unprepared to do so without a speechwriter on hand to frame the issues for him in a way that is targeted to tap into emotions.

So, so far, the two reasons we have that Obama refuses to debate Hillary are these, am I correct?:

1. Because Hillary has less money than Obama does;
2. Because FOX is clearly biased against him; (With all of the OBVIOUS MSM bias against Hillary to date, this is just plain hysterical!)

What do either of these excuses have to do with American's request for and right to know where Obama stands, specifically, on the issues?

I made no such insinuations. Reread the post. It's quite clear. FoxNews is in trouble this election cycle. For the first time in years, they are losing to CNN in viewers. There's no need for any candidate to throw them a bone, when they will only turn it around with more Karl Rove, Bill Kristol, and Sean Hannity bullsh*t.

But you're right on the first reason. Typically, the candidate who is the underdog is the one requesting the debates. After Obama split the delegates on Super Tuesday, tripled her fundraising in January, and faces favorable primaries in the upcoming month, he could be viewed as the stronger candidate now.

As Obama's participated in dozens of debates already, and was considered to have considered the last one on one debate with Hillary, I doubt it's because he's "terrified". I'm sure there will be a few more debates between the two before its all said and done.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:29 AM
 
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Obama is more electable against the Republicans than Hillary is. Hillary will divide the country worse than the 2004 election. Once again, the NOrtheast and California will vote for her and the entire rest of America will vote for whoever is the Republican is. A Obama vs. McCain race might help the culture wars wind down. The Northeastern liberal elite need to ask themselves why the resentment they've created through the rest of the country.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:29 AM
 
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Hillary Clinton MUST get him talking about issues; He MUST be forced to answer questions. That is precisely why he is refusing her demand for 1 debate a week. He simply cannot withstand her when it comes right down answering questions about the issus.

""I think we should debate once a week, because we're just getting down to the two of us. That's only been the case for the last week. And there are a lot of differences between us that need to be explored, and voters need to have information." -Hillary Clinton

So, far, She has accepted Fox news' request for a 2/11 debate; Obama has not. Are you afraid Sen. Obama? As voters, we are entitled to hear from you, and you are obligated to answer to us.

Here's and interesting statistic: Obama did VERY well with voters with an income of over $150k a year; Hillary swept those with $50k or less. So, who does that tell you is the candidate who has the best interests of the poor and Middle class in mind???

He is against any substantial mortgage/credit card reforms; This benefits the financial industry; He is against Universal Healthcare for ALL Americans, which benefits the Insurance and big Pharmaceutical industry; He is against completely repealing the Bush tax cuts, which benefits the wealthier Americans.

So, do you still think he is the best candidate to represent poor communities like the inner-city Chicago, that he touts non-stop? I think it is becoming abundantly clear that his real interests lie with the most elite sectors of American society...

During his speech last night, Sen. Obama continued his negative attacks on Hillary. Among them:
It's a choice between a candidate who's taken more money from Washington lobbyists than either Republican in this race and a campaign that has not taken a dime of their money.
Sen. Obama's comments come on the same week Public Citizen released a report (http://www.citizen.org/documents/LobbyistsFinal.pdf)detailing ten bundlers for Sen. Obama who have registered as federal lobbyists.
Nice try, but the reason she wants one debate a week is because she wants to have more opportunities to pierce this warrior's armor. Face it, Hillary Clinton is DESPERATE! She was supposed to be running away with this election, remember? She, after all is the great HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. WHOOOA. As the former first lady with loads of experience gained from being married to the Presidental Philanderer, she was supposed to be a shoe-in. Super Tuesday was supposed to solidify her nomination. Super Tuesday was supposed to eliminate the opposition. Super Tuesday was not supposed to show that over half of the people who took the time to vote on this day DO NOT want Hillary Rodham Clinton to be the nominee of the Democratic party. Super Tuesday showed that outside of women favoring her because she's a woman, uneducated latinos, her home state, and that segment of society that does not want a BLACK MAN in the white house, she has little support.

So the reason that Hillary wants to waste Obama's time talking about the issues is because she herself has an archive of Bill Clinton sound-bites and positions on the issues of teh 90s that have been rehearsed, re-rehearsed, written, and re-written. This would force Obama to exhaust himself coming up with unecessary particulars, particulars that don't mean a damn thing now.

Why be forced to come up with detail after detail after detail so that those stuck in analysis paralysis can nitpick? Any policy positions that any candidate takes CAN ONLY BE IN GENERAL TERMS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE ON EVERY ISSUE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL AS PRESIDENT. Why force a candidate to give very minute details on issues with only partial information at their disposal? Only Clinton is willing to say that she has answers to every questions BEFORE she has all the facts. She's pathetic.
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