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Old 02-10-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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The seeds for balancing the budget were planted in the 1980s with the reform of the tax system, the information system and telecommunications technology revolution, and the end of the Cold War. Bill Clinton collected the peace dividend. His years were also a good example of how a democratic president and a republican Congress can indeed work together and achieve something significant, such as a balanced budget.

Hate is too strong a word, but Hillary comes off as lacking sincerity at the least. Furthermore, her health insurance policy seems like a sop to the health insurance companies and false hope for driving down costs. Many don't buy it. I might buy it if I find a fund of dividend-paying insurance companies. Can anyone name one please?

I was inspired by Margret Thatcher, she's still the best man we've got, on either side of the Atlantic, I'd vote for her any day.

There are certainly women who are worthy CEOs, leaders of various types of organizations, members of Congress, even presidential candidates (not to mention heads of families and motherhood), history is filled with women leaders who inspire entire countries, but Hillary is not one of them.

An Obama presidency would be inspiring, it would put a new face on foreign policy; and a republican Congress, or even a Senate with at least 41 republicans, would help assure balance in domestic policy, and in foreign policy too. This is probably the most realistic type of national unity we can achieve.

Hillary is too polarizing, due to her personality, not her gender, a Hillary presidency would probably be too divisive and at the wrong time.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:17 AM
 
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Doubt it. If somebody had managed to clone Margaret Thatcher as a native-born American citizen, she would have been elected in a landslide.
I'm with this intelligent poster. It's not a gender thing AT ALL ...or what party ticket she's running on.

Hillary is a snake. Her phoniness is so transparent that if you can't see it, make an appointment with your optometrist.

Women who have amassed more credibility have garnered it because of their dignified and unwavering application of "can do" and integrity.

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Old 02-11-2008, 12:26 AM
 
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It takes more then just a high approval rating to be a great president.
Absolutely. Clinton spent 8 years in office between 2 valleys in the natural business cycle. Talk about luck. You don't need a minor in economics to know this, but I suppose it helps. There was little to go sideways. Had he been our president under different circumstances, the plump lady on the street slam-dunking a Big Mac at a shopping mall with a news reporter's mike in her face wouldn't have been saying "gee, I think he was a great President." How many times have you heard that? And from someone who can't discuss the economy and politics halfway intelligently? Arrrgggh.

That long post was actually quite good. It quantifies that he Clintons are, deep down, highly distasteful people...that's not easy to ignore.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:29 AM
 
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I'm neither Democratic nor Republican. I have an abiding distrust for political dynasties. And if the people of New York were gullible enough to vote a carpetbagger like her in, then that's their problem.
Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.

I like the quote that said 'she has about as much business being in NY as Rudy Giulani would trying to be the governor of Arkansas'
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:41 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with Hillary being Hillary. It is because she is a woman. Obama's support mostly comes from two groups, males and blacks. It is understandable why blacks are supporting him but I certainly don't understand the male opposition towards Hillary. Do men hate females that much?
The reasons I have seen listed to oppose Hillary at this website are; she's too hard, she's too soft, she has big thighs, etc. It is sad to see that as we have tried to teach equality in our schools we seem to have overlooked the fact that equality extends to all regardless of gender.
When I think back to my mother, I remember a person who was hard as nails and yet as gentle as an angel. She could balance a budget with a dime. She not only cooked, cleaned, raised a family, but also worked a full time job. Those are some of the qualities I would like to see in an elected official.
I support Hillary not because she is a women but because she is the one person to can get the job done.
Don
Again, how do you know this to be the case?

Honestly, I want to hear what it is that seems to drive this confidence in her. What has she done politically that was so "strong" and displayed the "get the job done" qualities?

Maybe you could list a few bills she authored that did some good? Maybe you could show us some of her past accomplishments that produced a result that makes you believe she can "get the job done".

Is there anything tangible that you have that you can show us or is it merely a "hunch" that you have? Ever heard of the old saying "You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?". Show me where she has "walked the walk" and not just "talked the talk".
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:43 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Lets completely ignroe the sex issues, how about the numerous unprovoked military attacks against countries that never did anything to us. Yeah, to his credit he did not invade, but his attacks very easily could have been considered as an act of war against those that we bombed for no reason.
Had Clinton done his job when he was President and kept his willy in his pants.. we would of not had 9/11.

History will show he was one of the worst Presidents we ever had, just like Kennedy was, another president with a high public opinion.
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Old 02-12-2008, 06:43 AM
 
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It has nothing to do with Hillary being Hillary. It is because she is a woman. Obama's support mostly comes from two groups, males and blacks. It is understandable why blacks are supporting him but I certainly don't understand the male opposition towards Hillary. Do men hate females that much?
The reasons I have seen listed to oppose Hillary at this website are; she's too hard, she's too soft, she has big thighs, etc. It is sad to see that as we have tried to teach equality in our schools we seem to have overlooked the fact that equality extends to all regardless of gender.
When I think back to my mother, I remember a person who was hard as nails and yet as gentle as an angel. She could balance a budget with a dime. She not only cooked, cleaned, raised a family, but also worked a full time job. Those are some of the qualities I would like to see in an elected official.
I support Hillary not because she is a women but because she is the one person to can get the job done.
Don
Go ahead and ignore the HUGE number of postings on this forum alone, that disagree with her socialism plans, her hand outs, her planned growing of the federal government. I guess its convenient to ignore all of these very valid points.
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Old 02-26-2008, 05:43 PM
 
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I would like to state for the record that Hilary is NOT A NEW YORKER. She is not from here, or anywhere near here. As a Senator for this state, she actually spent very little time in NY, even before she was running for president. She lived here just long enough to run for Senate and chose NY because she (and the Democratic party) knew it would offer her the best platform to run for President. She never cared about this state, or its residents and simply saw this as a stepping stone. Her entire first campaign was based on 'listening', meaning she never had to actually take a stand, or even say anything. Her election was greatly due to the fact that Guliani pulled out of the election very late (prostate cancer) and the Republican Party had little time to pick and campaign for its new candidate.
Many posters are saying that people hate her and won't vote for her because she is a woman. Yet at the same time they want to vote for her precisely because she is a woman. To vote for a candidate simply because they are female, black, Jewish, etc. is as ridiculous as not voting for them for those same reasons. People need to look at a candidate's experience, character, and their stand on the issues. Looking past Hilary's gender you can see that she has no character, no experience, and her stand on the issue is dictated purely by the audience she is talking to.
As for all the wonderful things her husband did...people greatly overestimate the effect the president has on the economy. The economy is slow to change and new policies take years to effect it. Any upswing in the economy is usually the result of trends set in motion years earlier. Bill Clinton merely benefited from the hard work of those who came before him and the general public's ignorance about how the economy and government work. His main skill was pandering to public opinion.

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Old 02-26-2008, 06:39 PM
 
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In 2006, New Yorkers reelected Hillary to the Senate with 67 percent of the vote. Oh how they hate her huh?

She's from Illinois BTW, not the North East. to correct someone a couple weeks back who thought that was where she was from.
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:41 PM
 
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Hillary has done a good job as a senator, she just isn't presidential material (and it isn't because she is a woman, it is because of what kind of person she is and the choices she has made.)
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