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A plan that is heavily flawed and flies in the face of his other programs.
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Maybe if unions haven't been gutted to the extent they are, people wouldn't look to the federal government to address the healthcare issue.
Unions were part of the problem.
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No, but nationalizing it and eliminating the parasitic middle men (insurance companies) will drastically reduce the cost. Not that this will ever happen....
It's amazing that people cannot grasp the simple concept that healthcare has two components, the medical care, and the insurance covering the medical care.
The fact that a hospital can charge $55,000 for a $2,800 appendectomy is the problem, not insurance.
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I'm curious why posters in this thread feel that under a single payer system they would pay more in taxes than they would save in private insurance premiums every year. Has there been any studies about this?
Yes, you can look at Vermont's attempt at universal health insurance.
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Because Medicare covers the oldest, those age 65 and older. The younger age groups cost proportionately less. In fact, a lot less.
I'm saying that if Medicare becomes a single-payer system, it won't be the same Medicare we have now.
Correct.
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It will eventually have to start deciding which services will be paid for and which ones won't be paid for.
Correct, again.
The now former German Minister of Health explains it in very simple terms:
"In the past 20 years, our overriding philosophy has been that the health system cannot spend more than its income.
Virtual budgets are also set up at the regional levels; these ensure that all participants in the system—including the health insurance funds and providers— know from the beginning of the year onward how much money can be spent." -- Franz Knieps German Minister of Health (2009)
Source: How Germany is reining in health care costs: An interview with Franz Knieps
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At what point will the people decide that someone in their late 60s will be too old to receive quality cancer treatment?
The point at which the money runs out.
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Originally Posted by Weichert
Medicare was established 50 years ago because private health insurance companies refused to cover those age 65 and over.
That's an outrageous lie.
The truth is unions, the American Hospital Association and government disenfranchised the elderly and Millions of others who didn't work, creating the "need" for Medicare:
"Introduced by various House and Senate sponsors and subject to extensive hearings, the basic framework of part A began to reflect accommodations between the sponsors, the Administration and the American Hospital Association (AHA).
It ranged all the way from principles of institutional reimbursement, which has been pretty thoroughly already worked out in a general way for their own purposes between Blue Cross and the Hospital Association over a period of several years
The American Hospital Associationhas already nominated the Blue Cross organization for its membership, although some member hospitals will undoubtedly elect out of this arrangement. We have proceeded very far in the development of working arrangements with Blue Cross, although no formal approval as a fiscal intermediary has yet been given them."
Source: Report to Social Security Administration Staff on the Implementation of the Social Security Amendments of 1965, Robert M. Ball Commissioner, November 15, 1965
"Bernie’s plan would create a federally administered single-payer health care program. Universal single-payer health care means comprehensive coverage for all Americans. Bernie’s plan will cover the entire continuum of health care, from inpatient to outpatient care; preventive to emergency care; primary care to specialty care, including long-term and palliative care; vision, hearing and oral health care; mental health and substance abuse services; as well as prescription medications, medical equipment, supplies, diagnostics and treatments."
At this point all the candidates are selling their product, if you like what they are offering vote for them if not dont vote for them.
Bernies single payer healthcare plan wont be free it will be funded through taxes just like all the other countries in the world fund their healthcare plans.
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Yes, you can look at Vermont's attempt at universal health insurance.
1. You didnt actually answer the question
2. The attempt was only to create a plan, it was never even implemented. And to be clear, they didnt stop the attempted, they simply decided to try another approach.
No they dont. The health care costs are now 17.5% of GDP for America and around 10% of GDP for other developed countries. OK, not quite half (although less than half if we factor in the somewhat lower GDP of other countries (mostly as a result of them working far fewer hours per year/more time off).
If we manage to get the costs down to what the UK and Germany pays, it will save well over a trillion dollars per year! Alot of money, and we get full coverage too!
Bernie is a joke..Free Medicare for all including illegals and this joker wants open borders.........add that he wants free college for all including illegals.
Bernie is a joke..Free Medicare for all including illegals and this joker wants open borders.........add that he wants free college for all including illegals.
and Democrats love this old fool.
You are grossly misinformed on all levels. Interesting how people who support old and fat candidates attack the age of another candidate who probably works much harder than any other candidate in the campaign and has always lived a very healthy life with no smoking, running marathons, has always walked to work and is walking with a spring in his step.
When you've been indoctrinated since childhood to believe that America is always #1, it becomes challenging for many Americans to comprehend that other nations actually do some things better.
What the U.S. lacks is self-awareness. It knows what nation it is as a single entity, yet is greatly misinformed on its place in the global arena. Insularity is what prevents the U.S. from progressing.
Bernie wants to change that. Will he? Most likely not, but I applaud him for being the only one in the race to try.
Bernie is a joke..Free Medicare for all including illegals and this joker wants open borders.........add that he wants free college for all including illegals.
and Democrats love this old fool.
He wants nothing of the sort.......why can't people be honest?
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders outlined his immigration reform plan Thursday, saying he would support comprehensive immigration reform and go further than President Barack Obama to protect undocumented immigrants already in the United States. But when it comes to allowing new immigrants into the country, Sanders reiterated his position that opening the border would hurt employment and wages.
“I see two issues. I see the absolute need to provide legal status and protection to the undocumented people who are in this country now — some 11 million people,” the independent senator from Vermont said during a Q&A with the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Thursday.
“But here’s where I do have concerns,” he continued. “There is a reason why Wall Street and all of corporate America likes immigration reform, and it is not, in my view, that they’re staying up nights worrying about undocumented workers in this country. What I think they are interested in is seeing a process by which we can bring low-wage labor of all levels into this country to depress wages for Americans, and I strongly disagree with that.”
I'm wondering to myself what the over/under is concerning how many times this will have to be pointed out until the elections? 450?
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