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Old 02-06-2008, 06:06 PM
 
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The polls yesterday showed Obama winning by 13 or 16 points in California. Polls don't mean anything anymore.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:08 PM
 
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I don't think so. I made up my mind to vote for Clinton a looooooooooooong time ago, before there was even a race. I don't think Obama will be as helpful to the middle class as Clinton will be.
Secondly, I don't care what color he is, I have just always liked Billary. All the campaign money and policy promises at this point could in no way sway my opinion. Sorry Obama-first come first serve.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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The Demographics do not add up for Obama- he did not win hugely diverse states like NY, CA, AZ NJ Mass- but wins states with high African American population and ones with rich affluent 'liberal whites' or young voters into the 'buzz'- his wins in the far west where also rather 'boutique' and based mostly on small Democratic primaries or caucuses.


He won North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Missuori, kansas, Utah....by getting super majority white voters.

He won Alabama, Georgia........by getting majority black voters.



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think the nation needs change-away from the ultra laissez fair social Darwinist policies of the last 30 years


If we had lasieez fair, there would be no social security and medicare. Federal goverment budget just passed $3 trillion dollar. Want more?



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The polls yesterday showed Obama winning by 13 or 16 points in California. Polls don't mean anything anymore.
Only one zogby poll showed obama getting a 20 point jump( in the last two days) and winning by 15 points and it was wrong. Everyone else showed clinton winning.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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Plus the whole limited-experience thing kind of bothers me.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Polls are fluid- remember Michael Dukakis had something like a 17 point lead over Bush Senior in 1988-and lost big time- The republicans will take Obama over the coals- and his rather boutique collation of mainly blacks, rich whites and the young will not be enough. He needs the bread and butter working class Dems to win-along with latino's in the big states he lost yesterday.

And many will not voye for him- they will sit out the election or vote republican.
I am neither rich, black or particularly young and I am not alone, in the state of Wa his support is very strong. Look for Obama to win the caucus this Saturday handily.

I think you may be underestimating the hate many on the right have for Hilliary Clinton. Forget about conservatives staying home because of McCain, they'll come out just to vote against Clinton.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:13 PM
 
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what are you talking about? social security and medicare are government institutions. Neither of these programs have a thing to do with big business, which is to what "laissez fair" government refers.


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He won North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Missuori, kansas, Utah....by getting super majority white voters.

He won Alabama, Georgia........by getting majority black voters.





If we had lasieez fair, there would be no social security and medicare. Federal goverment budget just passed $3 trillion dollar. Want more?
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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He won North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Missuori, kansas, Utah....by getting super majority white voters.

He won Alabama, Georgia........by getting majority black voters.





If we had lasieez fair, there would be no social security and medicare. Federal goverment budget just passed $3 trillion dollar. Want more?





Only one zogby poll showed obama getting a 20 point jump( in the last two days) and winning by 15 points and it was wrong. Everyone else showed clinton winning.

North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Utah- states with very few Democratic voters- means little compared to the mega states won by Mrs Clinton.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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I am neither rich, black or particularly young and I am not alone, in the state of Wa his support is very strong. Look for Obama to win the caucus this Saturday handily.

I think you may be underestimating the hate many on the right have for Hilliary Clinton. Forget about conservatives staying home because of McCain, they'll come out just to vote against Clinton.
He may win Washington, but loose Texas, Ohio and PA-far more important.
Once again Washington- the Seattle area- a very 'boutique' demographic and geographic area-lacks 'breadth' in the states Mrs Climton has won.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Utah- states with very few Democratic voters- means little compared to the mega states won by Mrs Clinton.
New York is her home state. California she won almost purely on the strength of the Latino vote. When Obama won states because of the black vote, you indicated that was a weakness. How is Clinton's victory in Ca. any different?
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:22 PM
 
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I was discussing politics with some people of Latin American heritage a few weeks ago, and when I asked about who they supported in the presidential race, they unanimously stated Hillary, because they don't like Obama's racial background. I guess it's because Hillary looks like the people idolized on spanish speaking television, while there's a deep seeded bias against blacks in the cultures of Latin America.
Another reason Latinos vote for Clinton is because of Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's stance on illegal immigration was generous. And also Latinos usually vote for someone they recognize more. Meaning they know the Clinton name. Ew
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