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Old 02-09-2016, 06:47 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"I saw this same failure in 2008 when Democrats elected Barak Obama, sat back and laughed along with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert satisfied that their job was done, while the Right in the form of the Tea Party went about building a political movement to advance their agenda. So, I'm dying to know where the political movement equivalent to the Tea Party exists on the left, without it Sander's election will realize none of the loftier goals of his campaign."
The DNC + netroots. There's been a dramatic shift in the political equilibrium since the early-2000's: the Democratic Party is now the more sophisticated, better funded, and better organized of the two operations. Obama [substantially] out-raised both McCain and Romney, and Hillary has currently pulled in $115 million in hard-money contributions. To provide some context, Sanders has generated $75 million, while the leading Republican candidate, Ben Carson — who has no hope of winning the nomination — has netted $54 million (next-highest is Ted Cruz, with $47 million). To the larger point, Sanders is going to get throttled on Super Tuesday, so the question of his electability is largely moot.
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Old 02-09-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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Iceland was able to do it, so can we.
Not sure what part of "others did it, we could do it" that I'm not interest in. What I am interested is in even a nascent broad coalition with sufficient political force to actually enact the legislation that Sanders proposes.
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Old 02-09-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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"Is The Bern electable? Most likely not. What he's doing is giving voice to the left wing of the party that hasn't been heard from since Jimmy Carter."
Carter was perhaps a smidgen to the left of Clinton, but Obama is substantially more liberal than either.
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Old 02-09-2016, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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What are you smoking!! The goal of the Tea Party was less Government and more free market. Occupy was all about MORE government control over business and more redistribution of wealth!

Other than mutual hatred for the Fed and Wall Street, there is nothing remotely similar between the Tea Party and Occupy.

Truth. The TP and Occupy movements couldn't be more different. They fly the US flag at Tea Party events. The burn it at Occupy events.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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Not sure what part of "others did it, we could do it" that I'm not interest in. What I am interested is in even a nascent broad coalition with sufficient political force to actually enact the legislation that Sanders proposes.
Sanders knows all about this. And he always, always mentions it. He promises nothing. Zilch. Without the people standing up, getting engaged, involved, nothing will ever happen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hbwp0RUAI

The internet is clearly a totally new world. Among the people who mostly get the news from corporate media, the +65 especially, they have simply different political views than the younger generations who get their news from the internet. It is a democratizing force as the corporate media has far less power over people under 45-50.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:49 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Iceland was able to do it, so can we.
Iceland has a population of approx 320,000, about the number of people living in Tampa. Even Rhode Island has over a million residents! There are over 2.7 million people in Chicago alone. People are always using examples of countries with populations smaller than many U.S. cities.
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:19 AM
 
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Iceland has a population of approx 320,000, about the number of people living in Tampa. Even Rhode Island has over a million residents! There are over 2.7 million people in Chicago alone. People are always using examples of countries with populations smaller than many U.S. cities.
I dont think it is fair to dismiss it though. Many small countries are deeply corrupt and non-functional while some are not corrupt and do great things. The same is true for big countries. There is no objective reasoning why the population size is paramount in this discussion.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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Like pknopp says. Walter Jones, Justin Amash, Mia Love, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, David Brat, Louie Gohmert, Jason Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy,.... All figments of pknopp's imagination.

That's right--the Tea Party is really about Equality and anti-capitalism and Zeitgeist and living in styrofoam igloo towers pooped out of machines by computers that run the planet, and socialism, and dogs, and tents, and occupying privately owned public spaces.
Is there an actual point here as I'm interested. Just your point, not more ramblings.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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Not sure what part of "others did it, we could do it" that I'm not interest in. What I am interested is in even a nascent broad coalition with sufficient political force to actually enact the legislation that Sanders proposes.
Much of it Sanders needs no coalition. It's entirely up to him who he prosecutes. Prosecutions will lead to many of the desired goals all without new legislation and you act like turn over in Congress is unheard of.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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Carter was perhaps a smidgen to the left of Clinton, but Obama is substantially more liberal than either.
Obama is neither left/right, conservative/liberal.

Obama is a narcissist.
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