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Old 02-10-2016, 05:41 AM
 
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Iceland has a population of approx 320,000, about the number of people living in Tampa. Even Rhode Island has over a million residents! There are over 2.7 million people in Chicago alone. People are always using examples of countries with populations smaller than many U.S. cities.
And? How does your generalization dispute that we can not break up the big banks and prosecute bankers that broke our laws?

Of course we can.
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Old 02-10-2016, 05:50 AM
 
Location: In the basket
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It's a shame because the guy seems sincere, is honest and has integrity.
However, he is out of his mind. He would unintentionally ruin the country.
Being in the trades and also being middle class, I can't count the amount of small business owners I know. Everyone I speak to is scared to death of a minimum wage hike. They will have to curtail hours and cut benefits. By me, for example a plumbers helper or jr mechanic makes between 10/15 bucks an hour. Now minimum wage goes to 15 and the lead mechanic making 18-20 an hour is bent out of shape and wants his pay adjusted accordingly. Think about the consequences of this.
Bernie, I like you, I really do, but you are not the guy.
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Old 02-10-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Sanders claimed in his speech that the principle on which our country was founded was "fairness!" Really? I'm afraid not, Bernie. You need to dig out the history books. The ignorance of such a statement is astounding.

He further drags out the "income gap" argument, which argues that wealth is finite, and that those "at the top" have managed to gain for themselves a "bigger piece of the 'wealth pie,'" which "is not faiah"

Bernie, like all socialists, do not understand that wealth is created, and the creation of wealth is not limited, but it is unlimited. But socialist policies make it more difficult, whereas capitalism makes it easier for individuals to increase their income and wealth. This is not even arguable.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:01 AM
 
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It's a shame because the guy seems sincere, is honest and has integrity.
However, he is out of his mind. He would unintentionally ruin the country.
Being in the trades and also being middle class, I can't count the amount of small business owners I know. Everyone I speak to is scared to death of a minimum wage hike. They will have to curtail hours and cut benefits. By me, for example a plumbers helper or jr mechanic makes between 10/15 bucks an hour. Now minimum wage goes to 15 and the lead mechanic making 18-20 an hour is bent out of shape and wants his pay adjusted accordingly. Think about the consequences of this.
Bernie, I like you, I really do, but you are not the guy.
That should have been considered when times were rolling and entire communities were being built only to sit empty leading to the reasons those on minimum wage have fallen so far behind.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:02 AM
 
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It's a shame because the guy seems sincere, is honest and has integrity.
However, he is out of his mind. He would unintentionally ruin the country.
Being in the trades and also being middle class, I can't count the amount of small business owners I know. Everyone I speak to is scared to death of a minimum wage hike. They will have to curtail hours and cut benefits. By me, for example a plumbers helper or jr mechanic makes between 10/15 bucks an hour. Now minimum wage goes to 15 and the lead mechanic making 18-20 an hour is bent out of shape and wants his pay adjusted accordingly. Think about the consequences of this.
Bernie, I like you, I really do, but you are not the guy.
He has had very, very strong support among working class folks and small business owners in Vermont for decades so this is interesting. Are you sure your fear is well founded? Much higher minimum wage works well in other countries. In the late 60s, minimum wage in the US was $11 per hour. The country was much poorer then. Yet the minimum wage was higher. It worked.

The $15 minimum wage is a vision for 2020. But he knows compromises will be made, but its not wise to go out and make compromises starting from the middle. That achieves nothing. No one does that. So with compromises, it is likely to be maybe $13.50 by 2020. That's definitely not too high. These days, the minimum wage isnt even adjusted for inflation.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:05 AM
 
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Sanders claimed in his speech that the principle on which our country was founded was "fairness!" Really? I'm afraid not, Bernie. You need to dig out the history books. The ignorance of such a statement is astounding.
The founders didn't argue that taxation without representation was unfair? It's been awhile ago but I was taught this wrong?

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He further drags out the "income gap" argument, which argues that wealth is finite, and that those "at the top" have managed to gain for themselves a "bigger piece of the 'wealth pie,'" which "is not faiah"

Bernie, like all socialists, do not understand that wealth is created, and the creation of wealth is not limited, but it is unlimited. But socialist policies make it more difficult, whereas capitalism makes it easier for individuals to increase their income and wealth. This is not even arguable.
Wealth the last 8 years was created by the largest socialist program ever enacted QE 1-2-3. You are another that loves socialism when you benefit from it, it would seem.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:08 AM
 
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Wealth the last 8 years was created by the largest socialist program ever enacted QE 1-2-3. You are another that loves socialism when you benefit from it, it would seem.
The funny thing is that they havent benefited at all. They are the main victims. I could have understood their position if they were high flying banker executives but that's unlikely to be the case.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:12 AM
 
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The Tea Party and Occupy overlapped in their main goals before the Tea Party was corrupted by the Palin's and Bachmann's.
Oh, please!

Have you forgotten that T.E.A. Party meant "Taxed Enough Already"? What does Bernie want? Higher taxes! The "Occupiers" want to tax people to death (like Bernie) for all the "free stuff" (like Bernie). Make the "rich" pay their "faiah" share, which is 'French' for "You didn't earn that." But the wealthy are paying the greatest percentage of the tax burden, and high taxation results in fewer jobs being created, which makes it more difficult for people (especially those just entering the workforce) to 'get ahead,' not easier.

The reason the economy grew so much during the Reagan era was because he cut taxes (and John F. Kennedy also understood this and this is why today's Democrat is NOT the Democrat of the J.F.K. kind).
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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The Tea Party wanted the Government to stop taking and the Occupiers wanted the government to give more. By taking more. I'm all for taking the banks down a notch ( or 5 or 6) but the government is not going to let that happen without a fight.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:29 AM
 
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Oh, please!

Have you forgotten that T.E.A. Party meant "Taxed Enough Already"? What does Bernie want? Higher taxes! The "Occupiers" want to tax people to death (like Bernie) for all the "free stuff" (like Bernie). Make the "rich" pay their "faiah" share, which is 'French' for "You didn't earn that." But the wealthy are paying the greatest percentage of the tax burden, and high taxation results in fewer jobs being created, which makes it more difficult for people (especially those just entering the workforce) to 'get ahead,' not easier.

The reason the economy grew so much during the Reagan era was because he cut taxes (and John F. Kennedy also understood this and this is why today's Democrat is NOT the Democrat of the J.F.K. kind).
Keep your head buried in the sand. The Tea Party came to national prominence when they erupted at town hall meetings over TARP.

Occupy became prominent when they protested TARP.

If it wasn't for people like yourself that wanted to tear one side down even though they wanted the same thing maybe we could have stopped it.
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